Richard HARVEY and Margaret CANNING - arrival in Australia

[whiteKat]

I am searching for information on arrival in Australia of my 2nd Great Grandfather Richard Harvey who was born in St Just-in-Penwith Cornwall in 1832; and of the arrival in Australia of my 2nd Great Grandmother Margaret Canning born in Dundonald Ayrshire Scotland in 1835 – as per the marriage record.

They were married in Victoria on the 4th May 1954. The marriage record identifies that both of them were formally form Adelaide. They appeared to live in Ballarat as records identify my Great Grandmother being born in Ballarat. They both died in Ballarat – Richard in August 1879 and Margaret in September 1911.

I have searched many sources for information on their departure from the UK and their arrival in Australia but have had no success. Any information or clues to further pursuing my quest would be greatly appreciated. Information as to their movement from South Australia to Victoria would be also greatly received.

[majm]

Hi there,

Do you have a copy of the death registration cert for either Richard or Margaret .... It should indicate how long each one was "in the colonies", perhaps noting how long in each colony as you mention that on their marriage cert of 1854, it notes they were both formerly of Adelaide ( they may have both travelled there from any of the other colonies).

There's a Richard Harvey, aged 19 arriving 26 Jun 1850 on the Bussorah Merchant ex Plymouth.

http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide050/PROVguide050.jsp

Cheers,  JM

[cando]

You are seeking records during the period of the gold rush.  Many people who settled in Vic arrived via South Australia, including my gg grandmother.  She was unable to find a passage to Melbourne.  Of course the reverse happened as well.  My OH's gggrandfather and family arrived Victoria and journeyed to SA where they settled.  Many Cornish miners emigrated to SA and the lure of gold in Victoria caused a great many to travel to Victoria, especially to the areas around Ballarat and Bendigo.

Have you searched the shipping records listed in Austalian Resources - South Australia at the top of the board.  I can find a couple of Richard HARVEY's arriving SA but they emigrated with wives.  One who was single was a butcher from Devon.  Nothing that appears to be your man.

Are their parents noted on the marriage certificate?  Edward is noted as Richard's father on his death reg and only father simply as CANNING on Margaret's.
Were any parents witnesses?  
What was Richard's occupation?
Where were they married?
The headings of the columns on a marriage certificate for the period are usually
Residence and then Present and Usual.  I haven't seen a marriage cert with former address.  I would suggest they had arrived in Vic not long before they were married otherwise their usual addresses would have been in Victoria.

According to Margaret's death registration she was born c1833 but you have said she was born 1835 according to the marriage certificate.  Info on death certs is not reliable.  Should would have needed consent to marry.  Who gave consent?   Perhaps we may be able to find a parent arriving in SA ie if they emigrated.

All their twelve children were born at Ballarat.

Their death certificates should note the time in Australia and each state should be listed individually ie if the informant had the knowledge.

Cheers  
Cando

[sparrett]

Hi Whitekat,

Although I cannot offer much on the arrival details, I wondered if you have the burial information form BALLARAT CEMETERY.

They both died in Ballarat – Richard in August 1879 and Margaret in September 1911. WHITEKAT

HARVEY Richard. Aged 47. Miner. Date 27/8/1879.Old Cemetery E1. 1.20, Of Darling Street, Ballarat.

HARVEY Magaret. Aged 78.Widow. Date 23/9/1911. Location as above. Of 161 Humfray Street Ballarat.

In the same grave-

HARVEY ,John 8/9/1866. 5 weeks

HARVEY,Albert  5/5/1879. 8 months
 
HARVEY Eliza Jane. 6/6/1921 Wife

HARVEY . Mary. 13/4/1870. 4 months

Sue

[cando]

HARVEY Richard.
Hospital record  23 Sep 1874
Place Adair Street.   Born Cornwall  39 years  Married  Miner
In Colony 21 years  Religion Wesleyan
Ballarat Hospital Admissions Register 1856-1913.
Name of Recommender - John Little

HARVEY Richard
Hospital record 27 Jan 1875
Place Adair Street.  Born Cornwall  41 years  Married Miner
In Colony 22 years   Religion Wesleyan
Ballarat Hospital Admissions Register 1856-1913.
Name of Recommender - S Wrigley

HARVEY Richard
Hospital record
16 Oct 1878
Place Windemere Street   Born Cornwall  45 years  Married  Miner
In Colony 25 years   Religion Cof E
How long in colony
Ballarat Hospital Admissions Register 1856-1913.
Name of Recommender - Dr Usher


HARVEY Richard
Hospital record 28 Jul 1879
Windermere Street   Born Cornwall   47 years  Married Miner
In Colony 27 years   Religion C of E
Ballarat Hospital Admissions Register 1856-1913.
Name of Recommender - J McCafferty

Cando

[cando]

Windemere Street and Darling Street intersect.  Perhaps they lived on the cnr.

Cando

[sparrett]

Poor bloke had a rough trot with his health it seems

Sue

[whiteKat]

I am absolutely overwhelmed by the response to my quest on Richard Harvey and Margaret Canning. Thank you majm, cando and sparrett - I am now given areas for further research. Currently i am digesting all the information you each have given me. I do know that Richard Harvey died in Ballarat Hospital from stomach cancer as per his death record. It does look as if he had an admission the year prior to 1879 - it must not have been an easy death. His death was 27th August 1879. And yes he was a tin miner in Cornwall.

I am delighted that the admission documentation identifies the number of years in the Colony - that being 27 years meaning he arrived in Australia in 1852. That gives more information in searching for his actual arrival. I do think the first two entries for admission belong to another Richard Harvey - do you agree? Is there any way in gaining more information from the hospital in regard to records kept or are the admission details the only data available?

The information on Richard and Margaret's graves is amazing. I now know where to find them. I do thank each of you.

Thanks
whiteKat

[cando]

Ballarat Hospital Admissions Register 1856-1913 is as it is described....a register only.  I would suggest that this register is the only information available.

I wouldn't base the correct year of arrival on an entry in a hospital register.  In 1878 it was 25 years and in 1879 it was 27      You mentioned Richard's 1854 marriage certificate stated formerly Adelaide....however I suggest that his usual residence was Adelaide as I have never seen a formerly of address on a marriage cert In Victoria in this era ...but perhaps it did happen on this occasion. 

It is helpful for us if all the certificate details are given.


Cheers
Cando