Church Family in Wymington, Bedford

[johnP-bedford]

Next point re Beds Archives holdings - wills......

but you're lucky - as this following site has some transcribed for Church family members including John the Butcher who has wife Elizabeth etc....

http://www.rushdenheritage.co.uk/Villages/wymington-willsindex.html

[bedfordshire boy]

In the 1841 Census ages were rounded to the nearest 5yrs mostly for adults.

No, in 1841 ages over 15 should have been rounded to the nearest 5 below, so eg 40 covered an actual age range of 40 - 44, and 45 covered 45 - 49.

[trish1120]

Thanks  bb for that explanation which is much better than I could put it

The Marriage of Joseph/Elizabeth was 06 Nov 1843, Wymington, Beds

[Nad81]

It IS very confusing Nad81
Joseph PERKINS,  Sarah/Elizabeth/Selenas Father was Widowed by 1841.
1841 he is living with Daug Sarah (who Married Charles Church) and his new Wife to be Elizabeth GILBERT + her 2 Children from her 1st Marriage.

From freebmd.org.uk
Marriages Dec 1843
Gilbert    Elizabeth        Wellingbro    15   857   
Perkins    Joseph         Wellingbro    15   857

Luckily it is one of the few Marriages that only 2 people are shown so we know they Married one another.
If you do get the Cert I would not be surprised if Joseph Married his Brothers Widow.
We will know this by finding her maidenname;
Eg Cert will say Elizabeth Gilbert, Widow, nee ..., Father John..., Ag Lab
Then we can find the Marriage and figure out if maybe Joseph had a Brother with that name.
The Cert should contain lots of info on Joseph also.

I think it is a good idea to sort out what we can confirm before going back too many generations.

Trish

Thank you again! I shall purchase this certificate next time i spend money on this (already spent some money this month, and unfortunately i'm on a strict budget )

All this help is very much appreciated

[Nad81]

You can view the parish records transcript up to 1812 at Bedford Central reference libary or at the Beds Archives at County (sorry Borough) Hall  - note they are closed Thursdays. The Archives also have microfilm of the parish registers from 1813 onwards.

The Beds Family History Society have created a CD of Wymington parish records
- follow the link    

http://www.bfhs.org.uk/

It maybe what Google found you

Also note if you are pretty sure you know where the marriage took place - the marriage certificate that you're planning to purchase - will be FREE to view from the PR microfilms at the Archives - as long as it post 1837. Wellingborough RD covers Wymington parish
 

Yes, this is the CD i bought

Off to rummage thru that other link you posted now... thanks again!

[johnP-bedford]

Selina Perkins is buried Wymington 30/01/1838 aged 11

Her mother Sarah Perkins nee Desborough is buried Wymington 15/06/1834 aged 28

John Perkins then marries Elizabeth Gilbert widow on 6/11/1843

Elizabeth may well be Elizabeth Morton who married John Gilbert on 26/9/1819; & John Gilbert may be buried 1833   

[Nad81]

I've mixed up the children of Joseph Perkins i think...

I've listed them as Joseph Perkins & Elizabeth Gilbert had Selina (b.1829) and Elizabeth Perkins (b.1832), and that Joseph Perkins and Sarah Desborough had Sarah Perkins (b.1830)..i've got them wrong haven't i?

Should it be Selina and Sarah from Joseph/Sarah, and Elizabeth from Joseph/Elizabeth?

I need to come back to this refreshed tomorrow

Many thanks again, i cannot believe how far back I've got in a relatively short space of time on this forum

[johnP-bedford]

Well if you want to spend £9.25 of your money on one certificate that's OK with me but why not visit the Beds Archives & view the same certificate for Free (& pay just a small fee to get it printed), & seeing as I did earlier today there are numerous marriages in Wymington of your family members you will save yourself a fortune. Also you cannot buy certificates for marriages before 1837 - because there weren't any, but the marriage entry info is available from the parish records.

Anyway enough of that.... just send me the money for the following info...

Wymington marriage 6 Nov 1843
Joseph Perkins, widower, labourer, father John Perkins labourer to Elizabeth Gilbert, widow, father John Laughton, shepherd. Both were of full age & from Wymington. Witnesses George Day Church & Caroline Church, & George Day Church - the parish clerk. (I am assuming that 1st witness George Day Church is son of his eponymous father - the clerk)

Wymington marriage 26 Sept 1819
John Gilbert to Elizabeth Morton both of this parish. OK why Morton ? well that's what the IGI has & true it does look like Morton on the PR entry but it is not that clear, and most likely the IGI transcriber did not bother to correlate this with her signature, which was signed & not marked with an 'x', it was Elizabeth Laton, nice & clear. Witnesses were Daniel Weekly & ?someone? Laighton.
 
So now we know Elizabeth's maiden name was, Laighton, Laughton: daughter of John. The 1851/61/71/81 censuses says she was born 1802 Oakley  but I cannot find a baptism at Oakley that fits. There is one born 1805 Milton Ernest ? but who knows.

Wymington burials. There is an entry for John Gilbert before the start of those in 1834 - it is blank except for his name & year 1833, plus a note in the margin saying 'omitted before'

Wymington marriage 11 Jan 1825
Joseph Perkins, bachelor to Sarah Desborough spinster: witnesses William Perkins & Sarah Perkins

Wymington baptisms children of Joseph & Sarah Perkins, labourer
22/05/1825 Elizabeth (born 14/01/1825)
19/07/1829 Selina - buried 30/01/1838 age 11
Sarah 08/08/1830

Wymington baptisms children of John & Elizabeth Gilbert, shoemaker
17/09/1820 Lawton
16/05/1824 William (born 05/03/1824)
21/03/1826 Sarah (born 08/11/1825)
25/05/1828 Rebecca (born 13/03/1828)
13/11/1831 Marianne

So on the 1851 census image where it has Joseph & Elizabeth Perkins, labouer & wife, the children William b 1822 & Mary Ann born 1831 that claim to be shoemaker's son & daughter, that have been given the Perkins name are in reality the children of John & Elizabeth Gilbert, not surprisingly confusing.

I have more - but I await my royalties.. 

cheers John 

[Nad81]

I think i love you!! haha!!

Just getting my head around this lot... (after a day with my two kids on half term holidays, i dont have many brain cells left!)... who is John Gilbert - on the second marriage listed - the only John Gilbert i have is born circa. 1770, and Joseph and Sarah's father... i am missing someone aren't i?