Waters family, West Lothian Scotland 1880 - present

[MonicaL]

Just gone back to look for those possible census entries I found for Peter.

There is this familly in 1861:

Peter Waters 27, agr. lab. b.Ireland
Ann Waters 25, b. Ireland
Mary Waters 6 b. Ireland
James Waters 4 b. Ireland
Thomas Waters 2 b. Ayton, Berwickshire
Hannah Waters 1 b. Mordington, Berwickshire
Helen Boice 15, niece b. Ireland

Address: Bastling Farm Cottage "rd", Ayton, Berwickshire

From IGI births, I think mother Mary's maiden name looks to be Boyce which fits with the surname for the niece.

1871:

Peter Waters 46, labourer b. Ireland
Martha G Waters 40, b. Livingston, Linlithgow
Hannah Waters 12  b. ??, MacCington (as transcribed)
Peter Waters 10 b. ??, Ayrton
William Waters 1 b. Livingstone

Address: No 24 West End, Livingstone, West Lothian

Mother for young William above shows as Martha Gallagher. Likely second marriage for Peter Snr.?

[ev]

Monica 

had a look at 1861 census on maxwellancestry which is as you have it but
the address might be a better transcription(maybe)
bastleridge farm cottage berwick rd. ayton berwickshire
i can see this on the map and a whiterig is nearby but can't see blackrigg

ev

[MonicaL]

Ev, just about everything is better on transcriptions generally than Ancestry 

[miaow]

Thanks to everyone for their messages! especially monicales and ev.  I can confirm that Peter Waters married Isabella Walker in Uphall, Scotland 1883. 

[miaow]

Hi MonicaLesl, a Family relative told me that Isabella was born in Sligo but your info seems a little more believeable. Will be back in touch soon. Going to do a little more research on the Walker side of the family.

[miaow]

Hi Monica, Isabella Walker was born in Ireland in 1864 along with her twin sister Mary and her brother James Alexander Walker born 19/07/1860. She hd a sister Catherine born 14/08/1869 and a brother George born Jan 1871 in Broxburn, West Lothian, Scotland. Peter Waters was born 1870 in Berwickshire. Hope this helps.

Take care
Miaow

[MonicaL]

Hi Miaow

Dates seem out here    Peter, father, looks to have been born c. 1861 (although Ev and I haven't been able to find his birth entry but we do have possible census entries for him). Have you looked at the 1883 marriage? Have you managed to confirm his parents' names?

Mary and Isabella don't look to have been twins  Is this from the family's 1871 entry where Mary and Isabella show as aged 9?  You have the birth regs. from Ireland with Mary's birth in 1862 and Isabella's in 1863.

Monica 

[miaow]

Hi Monica, I have had a look at the Marriage cert and con confirm that they married 4/12/1883. Peters' parents were Peter Wates and Henrietta Stewart. Thanx for your help.

Andrea

P.S.Isabella's parents were Major Walker and Mary Devine. A family relative told me that they were twins but don't know where he got his info from.

[MonicaL]

That's great that you have able to verify  Your relative I think probably was working from the 1871 census where both Mary and Isabella shows as aged 9, prior to finding the girls' births in Ireland.

The Walker side seems a lot more straightforward, at least in respect of her parents and siblings. It's the Waters side that is still causing problems. There are only about 4 Peter Waters in the whole of Scotland old enough to be your Peter's father in the 1861 census and with one Peter and family living in Berwickshire, you would think this would be his family. The two problems we are having:

- we cannot find his birth on SP or IGI to let you verify this details
- whilst we can potential parents Peter Waters and Ann Boyce for him, his marriage entry that you have confirmed show mother as Henrietta Stewart. Two options here, either he made a mistake with mother's name (she would have died when he was relatively young given it is likely from the census entries we have potentially found, that his father remarried by the time of the 1871 census) or, we have the wrong family for him in the Berwickshire family that later moved to West Lothian. The problem is we are not seeing anything else for him 

Monica