John Parkinson, joiner, of Ellel 1812

[frian]

I'm stuck on John Parkinson of Ellel who married Hannah Lamb at Lancaster St. Mary's on 24 August 1812.  I have not found his baptism or his burial.  He and Hannah had three children, William 1814, Robert 1816 and Hannah 1820.
Hannah died 1823 and was buried at Cockerham, and then John disappears.
I have found Hannah's baptism 1789 at Cockerham, and she is mentioned as the wife of John Parkinson of Ellel on her parents (John and Hannah Lamb) large tomb in the churchyard at Cockerham.  I have also seen the probate papers for John Lamb at the Lancs Record Office.
John is sometimes called joiner or sawyer or wheelwright.  His son William was later employed as such at Glasson Dock (died 1877).
Parkinson is a common name in Cockerham, Thurnham, Ellel etc which makes research somewhat difficult. Is anyone else researching this family?  I'd be glad to hear from you.
Thank you.
frian

[The Mc]

Hi Frian......

Have you seen these options found on Familysearch.org?

John Parkinson baptism/christening date: 10 Feb 1765 ELLEL,LANCASHIRE father's name: William Parkinson
John Parkinson baptism/christening date: 07 Sep 1755 ELLEL,LANCASHIRE father's name: William Parkinson
John Parkinson baptism/christening date: 18 Feb 1787 ELLEL,LANCASHIRE father's name: James Parkinson
John Parkinson baptism/christening date: 10 Jun 1787 ELLEL,LANCASHIRE father's name: John Parkinson

There are numereous deaths in the Lancashire District on FreeBMD........

[frian]

Thanks Mc.

I hadn't seen the first two but I have investigated the two for 1787 and eliminated them if you see what I mean.
John son of James died in 1792 and was buried at Cockerham
John son of John died in 1817 (will at the Lancs RO WRW A 1817).  He seems to come from a family of maltsters (father and grandfather both maltsters).  I've done a lot of research on Parkinsons in the area trying to trace my line, but only succeeding in sorting out other peoples!
I went back to the register entry at Lancaster where both my John Parkinson and his bride Hannah Lamb describe themselves 'of this parish'.  She was definitely from Thurnham; following the possibility that he was originally from Thurnham there is in the Cockerham register a John  son of John Parkinson of Thurnham baptized 27 May 1787.  This could also be the John Parkinson aged 63 who turns up on the 1851 census at Wraysholme Tower (Allithwaite - north Lancs) - so I don't think this is the one either..
There are also several John Parkinsons baptized at Lancaster in the right period.
This is why I ask if anyone else is researching this family.  I'm now beginning to search the censuses for Cockerham / Thurnham / Ellel / Glasson Dock looking for  Parkinsons who are sawyers, joiners, wheelwrights to see if there might be family connections.  Any suggestions would be gratefully received.

frian 

[Barbara.H]

A death in 1863, in the Lancaster Gazette (online newspaper archive) Saturday, November 28, 1863; pg. 5; Issue 4000

"Lancaster - On the 22nd inst [November] John Parkinson, sawyer, Dispensary, aged 63 years"

In 1861, this John was widowed, a joiner, living at 10 St George's Quay with married daughter Helen Rumley age 27, and his son Charles Parkinson age 20. All give place of birth Lancaster.

So he was born around 1800 - A cousin of your John perhaps? Or an older son even, if your John was widowed on marriage to Hannah Lamb?


  Barbara

[frian]

Thanks Barbara

This could be a way forward.  I've just been to our local library to see if I could access the Lancaster Gazette online, but apparently they don't subscribe to the British Library newspaper site.

I'm interested in a John Parkinson of Lancaster who was buried at Glasson Dock churchyard 5 November 1865 (he also has a gravestone saying he died 8 November 1865 aged 85).  I'm aware of the discrepancy in dates and imagine the gravestone should read 3 November!  Anyone know anything about him, please?

frian

[tortiegirl]

Fran - we've been in touch before so sorry if I am covering old ground. I have a John Parkinson b. 1872, lived on Thurnham Moss as an agricultural labourer, 1851 census has him living with William, Ellen and Ann, d. 8/11/1865, age 85, buried at Glasson.

[frian]

Hello tortiegirl

Thanks for this.  I'm going to disagree with you over the identification of the John Parkinson who died in November 1865.  The Glasson burial register says he was from Lancaster (now on line on the a**** try website), and he also has a gravestone (see the list of MIs of Christ Church Glasson published by the Lancaster family History Group).  I remember seeing that gravestone some years ago; it's not, to be blunt, something an ag lab could afford. 
I've been following this John Parkinson the last few weeks.  Why would someone from Lancaster choose to be buried at Glasson unless there were a family connection?  In the 1861 census there's a John Parkinson aged 81 living with his son and daughter in law in Lancaster.  What interests me is that he's described as 'formerly joiner and wheelwright.'  I think it's this man who was buried at Glasson in November 1865.  But I need to research it further and find out if it really is my missing John Parkinson with a second family in Lancaster (he's there on 1841 & 1851 censuses....)  It's detective work, isn't it, and although frustrating, it's also rewarding.

Re Hannah Lamb and grandson Robert Parkinson whom you thought were living in your cottage in 1851.  Robert is on the census 1861/1871/1881 as I'm sure you know.  He died 20 March 1888 at 12 Hornby Terrace Morecambe (his sister Hannah's house) and is buried in Morecambe cemetery where his gravestone says 'Robert Parkinson of Thurnham'. Next to him are buried Hannah and Robert Bond (sister & brother in law) who both died in 1897.

I've been busy recently!

Regards
frian

[tortiegirl]

See what you mean about an ag lab not being able to afford a gravestone. Loooking at my list of Parkinsons, their occupations are mainly shoemakers, husbandmen, fishermen or blacksmiths, with the odd stonewrights and joiners. I do have one John b.1825 who was a joiner in Thurnham - he came from Pilling. I have a Robert b.1787 who moved to Thurnham from Pilling by 1851, so there may be family connections there. My oldest Thurnham Parkinson was born at the end of 1500 and was a shoemaker. Thanks for the extra info re- Hannah Lamb, and let me know how you get on - good luck!.

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