Thanks you guys, I think too that it is the Moses one too. I will order marriage cert, Im sure its not the Richard one I think I dismissed this as I found a census showing a jane at 91yrs living in the house with Richard and thought it didn;t add up and Im sure I came across a census where William should have been with Richard but is with a wife somewhere else, its mad you look at so many things and it could be so easy to get mixed up, ancestory is soooooooooooooooo adictive, I need to be doing work not delving into the past anyone got the same problem, ha ha