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What Qualifications required to be Town Clerk in 1730's
« on: Tuesday 15 February 11 19:47 GMT (UK) »

Hi,

Does anyone have any idea what qualifications a Town Clerk would require for election... I have had it suggested that they had to be a solicitor or writer...

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Patricia
Names: Warden, McDonald, Muirison, Kirk, Valentine, Forbes. also Kift (Braunton in Devon)

Areas: Scotland - Edinburgh, Dundee, Moulin, Dunkeld, Alyth, Invernes, Dornoch, Findhorn, Wick, Peterhead, Aberdeen and Turriff. Also for Valentine and Forbes.. Stonehaven, Fettercairn, St Vigeans and Girvan.

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Re: What Qualifications required to be Town Clerk in 1730's
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 30 March 11 18:40 BST (UK) »
You could perhaps ask on this new website! They might possibly have the answer!  ;)

 http://www.askscotland.org.uk/

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Re: What Qualifications required to be Town Clerk in 1730's
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 30 March 11 19:48 BST (UK) »
I do not think there would be any particular qualfication required other than the tacit support of a majority of the Councillors. It would not have been a permanent position then, probably requiring an annual election or vote to continue.
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Re: What Qualifications required to be Town Clerk in 1730's
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 30 March 11 20:18 BST (UK) »
Following my discovery in Feb of the Dornoch Council Minutes, I found that our ancestors Hugh Macdonald snr and Hugh Macdonald jnr are both recorded as holding the position of Sheriff Clerk of Sutherland also acting as Town Clerk of Dornoch, Hugh jnr taking over both posts when Hugh snr died in 1756. Apparently in Dornoch at that time the position of Town Clerk was not included in the re-election process, it was a position for life. the position of Sheriff clerk had opposition but Hugh jnr got the post .

MS 1483 (NLS) Dugald Gilchrist letters to John Mackenzie of Delvine:

Letter of 4-3-1756 (extract):

Mr McDonald sheriff clerk is by all appearance on his deathbed…..[candidates for his post]  There are 2 countrymen at Edinburgh in the writing business, viz Donald Ross a son of a tacksman and an old caner of the Earl’s at Brora who wrote with Mr Davidson of Whitehouse, and William Sutherland aforesaid whose father is a tenant on the estate of Skelbo.  There is a son of Mr McDonald’s likewise who lives at Chanry of good character.  They all 3 understand Erse but I believe the first and the last I have mentioned have more the practice than William Sutherland.

Letter of 24-3-1756 (extract):

Mr Baillie at Ardmore informs me that Hugh McDonald’s son succeeds his father as sheriff clerk of Sutherland.  His father made demission of the office in favour of his son a week or two before his death.

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I can't find any evidence of Hugh snr in Dornoch his son is recorded as living in Chanry (Chanonry) at the time of his fathers death.... I thought perhaps it would help if I knew what profession Hugh might have held.....

Thanks Patricia
Names: Warden, McDonald, Muirison, Kirk, Valentine, Forbes. also Kift (Braunton in Devon)

Areas: Scotland - Edinburgh, Dundee, Moulin, Dunkeld, Alyth, Invernes, Dornoch, Findhorn, Wick, Peterhead, Aberdeen and Turriff. Also for Valentine and Forbes.. Stonehaven, Fettercairn, St Vigeans and Girvan.


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Re: What Qualifications required to be Town Clerk in 1730's
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 30 March 11 20:34 BST (UK) »

Domestic Goddess, I have posted my question, see what replies I get....

Many thanks.
Names: Warden, McDonald, Muirison, Kirk, Valentine, Forbes. also Kift (Braunton in Devon)

Areas: Scotland - Edinburgh, Dundee, Moulin, Dunkeld, Alyth, Invernes, Dornoch, Findhorn, Wick, Peterhead, Aberdeen and Turriff. Also for Valentine and Forbes.. Stonehaven, Fettercairn, St Vigeans and Girvan.

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Re: What Qualifications required to be Town Clerk in 1730's
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 30 March 11 21:06 BST (UK) »
I would venture a guess that a Town Clerk would   be appointed by the members of the Town Council it would not be an elected job.

Can you tell us which town it would be?  A small Town or a big City?

Usually, over the last 100 years or more  a Town Clerk  is usually a solicitor or legal post.
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Re: What Qualifications required to be Town Clerk in 1730's
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 30 March 11 21:36 BST (UK) »

Hi
the town was Dornoch, quite a small fishing village in the early 1700's but had been made a Burgh.. it is on the east coast in the county of Sutherland.

I have found evidence that the position of Town Clerk was for life although the councillors were elected anually.

I think you are right about the clerk holding a legal position I just wondered was this so in early 1700.

Regards Patricia
Names: Warden, McDonald, Muirison, Kirk, Valentine, Forbes. also Kift (Braunton in Devon)

Areas: Scotland - Edinburgh, Dundee, Moulin, Dunkeld, Alyth, Invernes, Dornoch, Findhorn, Wick, Peterhead, Aberdeen and Turriff. Also for Valentine and Forbes.. Stonehaven, Fettercairn, St Vigeans and Girvan.

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Re: What Qualifications required to be Town Clerk in 1730's
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 30 March 11 21:45 BST (UK) »
I seem to recall that there have been other questions about Sherrifs on this web site.. 

I am sorry I had not noticed your  other post when you mentioned Scotland.   I live in Wales,  so the terminology in Scotland is quite different.  And I have made wrong assumptions about Scots words before.

I suggest you do an advanced google search of other threads on this site to see if you can pick up previous questions.   The thread I am thinking of was in the last 6 months, and was asking about a sherriffs wife,  IIRC.
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Re: What Qualifications required to be Town Clerk in 1730's
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 31 March 11 00:40 BST (UK) »
From page 209 of The History of Sanquhar (online and out of copywright)

http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofsanquha00browiala#page/208/mode/2up

This section is quite topical as it refers to the position of Town Clerk in the 18th century (Sanquhar was a Royal Burgh in Scotland)

I note that the position was made a life appointment in 1789 previously being voted on an annual basis.
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