Vernal/Bolger/Barnaby - Naas & Athy

[Kamilla]

Looking for daughter or grandchildren of Rosanna Vernal Ni Bolger. 
Died 29/09/1924 in Naas Co Kildare age ?17-19 years.
Husband may be Jim Vernal probably of Athy Co Kildare.
Daughter may have emigrated to Canada.

[shanew147]

Rosanna seems to have married James in 1923, had a daughter in 1924 and died age 17 in the same year. See possible BMD index matches below :

Marriage of James and Rose :

 Name: James Vernal
 Registration district: Naas
 Event type: Marriage
 quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1923
 Volume : 2 / page : 495

 Name: Rose Anna Boulger
 [same references as James]

Death of Rose :

 Name: Rose Vernal
 Registration district: Naas
 Event type: Death
 Quarter and year:   Oct - Dec 1924
 Age : 17 (est year of birth 1907)
 Volume : 2  / Page: 440

To find the birth of the possible daughter search the BMD Index for Vernal births in 1924, and you will see one in the same quarter and district as Rose's death and marriage (it's a bit too recent to post details of here).


Shane

[shanew147]

Possible match for Rose's birth on the BMD Index :

 Name: Rosanna Boulger
 Registration district: Naas
 Event type: Birth
 Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1908
 Volume : 2 / Page :   777

and on the 1911 census with her family :

 Boulger family, Abbey Terrace, Naas

and a possible match for James with his family on the 1911 census in Athy : 

 Vernal household, Leinster Street, Athy


Shane

[Kamilla]

Shanew147.
Thank you. These details have been very helpful leading to further info regarding the where abouts of Rosanna's Daughter's family.

Could you possibly find any info regarding the marrage of another sibling- namely Patrick Bolger (Abbey Tce. or possibly St Corbans Place in Naas) where the family later moved.
His wife's sirname was Barnaby who reportedly died after childbirth (daughter * DOB around 1942/3/4)  We hit a wall trying to discover Ms Barnaby's details regarding her birth, siblings or family.


Moderator Note : Details of possibly living person removed

[shanew147]

There is a possible Bolger/Barnaby marriage that might fit your clues :

 Name: Josephine Margaret M Barnaby
 Registration district: Naas
 Event type: Marriage
 Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1945
 Volume : 2 / Page: 252

 Name: Patrick Bolger
 [same references as Josephine]

A marriage cert would show more details such as father's names and occupations, to confirm that this the correct Patrick Bolger, and also help the search for Josephine's family.

I've removed details of the child you mentioned as the birth is too recent and details of living people may not be posted on RootsChat. You can search the BMD index for possible matches for her birth - see the introduction topic link below. (The BMD Index includes mother maiden name from the late 1920s, which makes it easer to locate the correct references)

see :

  Introduction to Irish Records
  Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon
  Details included on a Marriage Cert


Shane

[Kamilla]

Some confusion reigns regarding the Barnaby & Bolger/Boulger same name spouses Marrages.
The name of lady I seek is Joy Barnaby who married Patrick Boulger from Naas.
This Boulger family lived at Abbey Tce Naas at the time of the 1911 census and later moved to St Corbans Place.
It is this Barnaby Family details I am seeking.
Apparently there is also a Josephine Margaret Barnaby who also wed a Patrick Bolger from Athy and not Naas.
Could this be Joy's sister?

Moderator Note : Post merged with previous thread on the same subject

[shanew147]

could Joy not be a shortened version of Josephine ?

Have you some evidence of a second Boulger/Barnaby couple ?

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Apparently there is also a Josephine Margaret Barnaby who also wed a Patrick Bolger from Athy and not Naas.
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I dont get this part of your query.... the Bolger/Barnaby marriage we mentioned earlier was in Naas. Place of residences included on a marriage certs are where the people are living at the time, and may not be the same as their places of birth.


Shane

[Kamilla]

Elderly person still living in Naas provided this further information 12/02/11.
 Joy Barnaby married Patrick Boulger in Naas.
Joy died leaving a baby daughter (P) who is recently deceased age approx 67 years) and it is (P's) family who are seeking any available info regarding MGM Joy and her family. 
After Joy's death Patrick married a second time to an English lass.

A different Patrick Bolger from Athy married a same sirname 'Barnaby' lass  from St Corbans Place Naas.

[shanew147]

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A different Patrick Bolger from Athy married a same sirname 'Barnaby' lass  from St Corbans Place Naas.
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Approximately what year ?




Shane