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Offline lou4lou

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Re: Looking for Barker Joseph BENSON, born Whitby 1815?
« Reply #99 on: Monday 16 April 12 03:03 BST (UK) »
Hi, I'm new to this, but am also a direct descendent of Barker Joseph Benson through his son William Robson - my grandfather was Theodore, born 1896.  Have been searching info for a few years now and have a few questions that others may have answers to:
Is there an explanation for Barker Joseph Benson to be travelling steerage on Catherine Stewart Forbes with Hannah, while a Joseph Benson Barker travelled Cabin? A bit of a coincidfence?
Also, on my grandfather's birth certificate twins (I think) are shown as 16 years - William & John P. - yet I can find no other mention of them anywhere.
I will sift through my info once I have read all the prededing to see if I can add to it - my mother tells me that William Robson enjoyed the drink and also that Barker had an orange orchard - this is, however, word-of-mouth.
Barker is also shown as a surgeon on William Robson's birth certificate & his own death cert - he died suffering rheumatic gout, disease of the valaves of the heart and anasarca, which is an accumulation of fluids in the body.
Thanks for all this new info,
Lou

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Re: Looking for Barker Joseph BENSON, born Whitby 1815?
« Reply #100 on: Monday 16 April 12 07:07 BST (UK) »
Wow, another rellie. Angela, the genealogist, wife of Richard (who is the direct descendant via William's son Eric) here. Good to hear from you Lou4lou. Others have gone quiet on the two threads - have you also looked at the Dr Benson or Quack forum?

Looking across the family tree, I have often wished some of the other descendants from the other 'kids' were watching and could add to the discussion.  Will have to look at the Catherine S.Forbes passenger list again - but as Sarah Barker's mother was a Barker and her sister Elizabeth was also in London and married to a Chapman it seems likely the Barker boy if it isn't just the same person would be a relative of their brother therefore Barker's nephew.

The twin situation I've never come across - that's a newie.

Also Barker having an orange orchard - there is a big display on one of the orange orchards - a McPhee (our daughter-in-law's maiden name) at Mangrove Mountain at Henry Kendall Cottage museum - so orange cultivation for Barker is not too remote I suppose.

Not surprising Eric enjoyed the drink if if Dad William did, but William spent so much time in pubs as the chairman of some committee, it's not surprising if he liked it a lot.

Keep in touch and check out the other forum also. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say 'any new info welcome' on this enigma of a man Barker J, who is managing to keep this rootschat forum bouncing along.

Cheers Barkrels - are you in Sydney too?     

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Re: Looking for Barker Joseph BENSON, born Whitby 1815?
« Reply #101 on: Thursday 19 April 12 03:55 BST (UK) »
This is just an aside note and may amount to anything. but I noticed the Hannah was sponsored by her aunt Mrs Lancaster when she came to Australia. From what I understand Hannah's family didn't arrive in Sydney till maybe 5 years after her. But I noticed that he Aunt Mary Vandervord married Charles Lancaster? Could this be the mysterious sponsor? I can't find anything on Aunt Mary but maybe she is the missing link that could explain Barker and Hannah's early movements?
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Re: Looking for Barker Joseph BENSON, born Whitby 1815?
« Reply #102 on: Thursday 19 April 12 05:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Simone,
Can you tell me how you found out about Hannah being sponsored?  I'd like to find out if other relatives came out the same way.  I have Hannah's father as William Heard Vandervord, with 6 siblings - Mary Warrington (1790), Mary (1788), George John (1792), James Wilson (1795), Alfred (1797) and Haratio (1801).  This is from Family Search IGI: P018041.  Probably one of these Marys is the sponsor.
I cannot find a record of William's marriage, but have his wife as Ann Kemp.
Just realised that the first Mary died shortly after birth, so Mary Warrington must have been aunt referred to - does anyone know where the Warrington came from?
As for Charlotte Carrwithin - her mother, wife of John Strike, was Johanna Carrwithin - hence the middle name.  Records show her surname as Cowbrethen, but if you view the original, you can see how a misinterpretation of the spelling could occur


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Re: Looking for Barker Joseph BENSON, born Whitby 1815?
« Reply #103 on: Monday 04 June 12 11:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Lou, Angela, Simone Etc,
   I have been a bit busy with work and other things lately, so haven't had too much time to spend family treeing, but just had a quick browse and was happy to see some new posts.
   How interesting that you and I share a great grandfather, Lou. My grandfather and your grandfather were brothers. I am related to William Robson Benson's youngest son, Richard, b 1900. Which one of Theo's children are you related to? They would have been my father's cousin, and would have known him. I will try to answer some of your questions:
     I think that Barker Joseph Benson & Joseph Benson Barker are the same person. I don't know why he would have been recorded twice on the ship's log, but have come across this kind of error before.
     There were no twins. The eldest child of William Robson Benson was William J P Benson (known as Percy).
     I had also heard that William Robson Benson enjoyed a glass of whiskey and a game of cards, and that is why they never had much money!
     I believe that Hannah's aunt, Mary Vandervord Lancaster was her sponsor. The mystery is why Hannah decided to travel to New Zealand as an assisted emigrant, when she came from a very wealthy family. Was she running away from home, with the help of her aunt?Her uncle George John Vandervord married Ann Chapman. Does this provide a link with the Bensons? Did Hannah know Barker before she left England? I don't know if we will ever find out the answers to these questions.
    I have Johanna Strike's name as Johanna Carruthers. I think that they were very bad spellers.
   Charlotte Strike's full name was Charlotte Martin Carrwithan Strike.
   I was fortunate enough to visit Linkinhorne a few years ago and found the grave of John & Johanna Strike. They are buried with their grandson John.
   I don't know if all this is any help, or just adds to the confusion, but it is interesting, isn't it?
   Simone, I did get your phone message, and will ring you soon!
   Best wishes to all my Benson rellies,
    Kim.

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Re: Looking for Barker Joseph BENSON, born Whitby 1815?
« Reply #104 on: Tuesday 03 July 12 23:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Kim,
Thanks for your information.  My mother is Thea - eldest daughter of Theodore.  She remembers your grandfather & grandmother, and remembers also that they had two sons, but had little to do with the boys, as they did not live nearby.
The reason I thought that there were twins is because, on Theodore's birth certificate William AND John P. are named as being 16 years.
I have Johanna Strike with the maiden name Cowbrethan, but when you view the original marriage certificate it is easy to see how the writing could be misinterpreted, and Carrwithen seems more probable.  I cannot find and info on her family even after being in contact with the county clerks in the areas around Northill.  Have you been able to verify John's parents?  There were a few John Strikes born in Northill around the same time.
Once again, thanks for your input.
Lou

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Re: Looking for Barker Joseph BENSON, born Whitby 1815?
« Reply #105 on: Tuesday 28 August 12 14:44 BST (UK) »
Carna: The woman whose picture you use as your message icon is apparently my mother's great grandmother. Some 34 years ago my mother and I visited Ruswarp Old Hall nr Whitby where her research indicated that her great grandfather had lived. I understand that this person was Barker Joseph BENSON. My mother's research records him as a "doctor" and that (as I recall)  he married the daughter of a Dutch sea (fishing boat?) captain.

One of his sons was Thomas Barker Chapman BENSON (1844-1916) who was for many years the manager of Brenda Station nr Goodooga in north western NSW. He is my maternal great grandfather and I understand that my grandmother grew up on Brenda Station with her 5 sisters and her 4 brothers. She had the most extraordinary handwriting, very difficult to decipher, and this was excused by the explanation that she and her sisters had been educated by governesses rather than being exposed to the rigours of the NSW education system as it was then.

I was surprised that earlier replies to your enquiry say that baptismal records show that Joseph Barker's eldest son, Thomas Barker Chapman BENSON, was born in Carcoar. This is contradicted by his obituaries that all say that he was born in England! An example is at http://oa.anu.edu.au/obituary/benson-thomas-barker-c-101. However a search of the NSW Register of Deaths, Marriages and Births (BMDs) confirms that Thomas B C BENSON was born at Carcoar, NSW, on Mar 16 1844 to Barker J BENSON and Hannah E BENSON. 

The obituaries also say that Thomas B C BENSON was a first cousin of E.W.BENSON (Edward White) who was Archbishop of Canterbury.

That suggests that his father was a bother of Edward White BENSON but I have seen no evidence for that. I now wonder why he would wish to claim that he was born in England and was a first cousin of an Archbishop of Canterbury. Did he want to distance himself from his father and brothers for some reason and appear to be more "respectable"?

According to the online NSW Register of Deaths, Marriages and Births, the children of Barker Joseph BENSON and Hannah E BENSON were:

1844 BENSON, THOMAS B C
1845 BENSON, WILLIAM R
1847 BENSON, EDWARD V
1849 BENSON, JOHN H
1852 BENSON, JAMES J
1854 BENSON, EMILY L
1860 BENSON, WILLIS A (at Gosford)

It was interesting to read in earlier replies about the life of some of my great grandfather's siblings listed above.  However this list is not very detailed and reference should be made to more in-depth research on this family carried out by 'blynch2' and cited in reply #7 to this thread. I would be grateful to have any further information that adds to or confirms (or otherwise) any of the above.

The obituary cited earlier for Thomas B C BENSON also said that he "is survived by a widow and eight children, one of whom is Mr. Thomas J. Benson, of Braeside, Dalveen". Again, a search of the online NSW Register of BMDs shows that he and his wife Amy (nee Single) had 10 children between 1879 and 1894, among them my maternal grandmother. I always thought the daughters were known as Edith, Ella, May, Maude, Gert and Ivy but the records from the NSW online BMD Register caused some initial doubt about this. However there is much more detailed information on the family at http://www.myheritage.com/family-2_2000072_63276681_63276681/benson-thomas-barker-chapman-benson-amy-adams-single-benson and this provided all the given names of each child which I have set out below. Obviously some of the girls chose to be known by other than their first given name! The 10 children were, in order of birth:

08/01/1879 BENSON, GERTRUDE DOROTHY   (b. GLEBE, d. 09/05/1965)
01/03/1880 BENSON, SARAH MAY                  (b. WARIALDA, d. 06/07/1965)
25/10/1881 BENSON, THOMAS BARKER JOSEPH  (b. WARIALDA, d. 22/02/1936)
03/05/1883 BENSON, AMY MAUDE                 (b. MOREE, d. 03/06/1960)
03/05/1885 BENSON, FRANK CHAPMAN         (b. MOREE, d. 1912)
14/02/1887 BENSON, ELLA R (LILLIAN)         (b. MOREE, d. 26/11/1987)
10/08/1888 BENSON, EDITH SUSANNA          (b. MOREE, d. 16/05/1975)
27/01/1890 BENSON, MURIEL IVY                  (b. MOREE, d. ?)
04/09/1891 BENSON, RAY OSWALD               (b. GOODOOGA, d. 27/05/1921 at BREWARRINA)
07/02/1894 BENSON, FREDERICK ERIC          (b. GOODOOGA, d. ?)

Frank pre-deceased his fathe who died in 1916. On the other hand, Ella, who I remember well, died 3 months short of her 101st birthday in 1987! One of the more curious coincidences is that Thomas died in Chatswood age 54 on 22 Feb 1936 just 4 days after his mother (Amy Adams BENSON) who died nearby in Roseville on Feb 18, 1936 at the age of 80.  I grew up in Chatswood and we often passed the house in Roseville where my mother's grandmother had lived as a widow until her death.

This is my first posting to RootsChat so apologies in advance if I have got the etiquette wrong.

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Re: Looking for Barker Joseph BENSON, born Whitby 1815?
« Reply #106 on: Wednesday 29 August 12 01:36 BST (UK) »
I hope that contributors to this thread can help shed light on the following mystery and related enquiry.

BACKGROUND: The obituaries of the eldest son of Barker Joseph BENSON, Thomas Barker Chapman BENSON (1844-1916), strongly imply that he represented himself as being born in England and that he was a first cousin of Edward White BENSON (1829-1896) who was Archbishop of Canterbury from 1883 until his death. One such obituary that makes this claim is at http://oa.anu.edu.au/obituary/benson-thomas-barker-c-101.

However earlier replies to this thread, supported by a search of the online NSW Register of Births, Marriages and Deaths, make it clear that T B C BENSON was actually born in Carcoar, NSW, in 1844, not England!

This puts into doubt the other claim of T B C BENSON of being a first cousin of E W BENSON.

QUESTION: What exactly makes you a "first cousin" to somebody? In the present case I understand it to mean that his father, Barker Josepf BENSON, must be a brother of E W BENSON. However there is no evidence to support that relationship. Can Barker Josepf BENSON be some other relation of E W BENSON so that his son would still be a first cousin to the latter?

Thanks in advance for any help with this.

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Re: Looking for Barker Joseph BENSON, born Whitby 1815?
« Reply #107 on: Thursday 27 September 12 11:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Gill,
Stumbled across your posts while I was surfing the net for family tree stuff. I am a descendant of Barker Joseph Benson, who was General Robson Benson's brother. Would love to share info with you if you are interested.
Regards,
Kim.