Looking for Barker Joseph BENSON, born Whitby 1815?

[blynch2]

Hi everyone!
Here are a few answers to your questions.

The Carr-Withan comes from Ida's mother. Her full name was Charlotte Martin Carr-Withan Strike. This was a very flash name for someone whose father was a farm-labourer. I don't know where it came from originally!

Filling in the other dates:

William J.P. Benson (known as Percy) b. 1880, m. Alice Rusfeldt 1911 in Sydney.d.1921 (approx.)Buried Kew, Victoria.

Barker Rutter Benson b. 1881,m.1916 in England to Mary Maria Westall. (taken prisoner on the Raider Wolf during WW1) d. 9.8.1949.

Claude Temple Benson b. 11.6.1883.Not married. d. 15.4.1944 (mental hospital, Ryde)

Eric Carr-Withan Benson b.1.1.1885 at Palmerstone Terrace, Glebe Pt Rd. m. 1913 to Margaret Mitchell.m.1941 to Alice May Tonduit. d.29.11.1960.

Louis Robson Benson (known as Jack) b.1887. m. 1914 to Estelle (Stella) Hayes. d. 8.8.1958.

Montague Oswald (Monty) . 1888.m 1902 to Ina Geneva Myers. d.2.11.1942.

Florence Ida (Florrie) b.1891.Not married. d.11.12.1940.

Bertha. b. 1894.m.1919 to Edward E Walker. d.21.5.1972.

Theodore William. b.1897. m.to Sophia Winnifred Browne in 1919. m. to Isabella Dansten Bennett in 1952. d. 12.10.1961.

Marieville. b. 25.4.1898.Not married. d. 15.7.1959 at Bloomfield Hospital, Orange.

Richard (Dick) b. 15.5.1900.m.7.2.1922 to Nora Dunn. d. 1979.

I also have some information about their children. Will post later if you are interested!

Apart from my grandfather Richard, the only one I met was Aunty Bertha. I remember her (I was a young child at the time) as being rather plump, quite loud, but rather outgoing and jolly! My grandfather was quite a grumpy old man, but he didn't enjoy the best of health. I think he was more sociable in his younger days.

Regards,
Kim

[carna]

Thanks heaps for that Kim.

I knew none of this.

Extremely grateful,
Karen

[Barkrelsatthepoint]

Thanks so much Kim,

Would love the info on the kids as well.  You've obviously been at this for a long time.  It is now only twelve months since I (Angela) started to research the Benson family tree and the English half was all researched via the net etc and confirmed by going to England late in 2010.

I was thrilled when I discovered Barker's parent's names were Thomas and Sarah and they came from Whitby. Being English myself born in Staffordshire, it felt really important to find out where Richard's roots started from. Whitby, Sleights and Robin Hood's Bay are such awesome places and then being able to go to Ruswarp and be welcomed by the present owners who made us a cup of tea and showed us around was great.   

The Australian half consisted only of what I could glean from newspapers and Thomas' will, so once again we have to thank Karen for her initial query. With such a large family from William and Ida alone, it raises the question of how many Benson's there must be around who can claim Barker and Hannah as their forbears?

So thanks once again Kim for the information on William and Ida's lot. It's my belief Ida is buried out at Waverley, do you know if William is there too? One of the most awesome moments in Whitby was finding the altar grave of Thomas and William and their relatives at St Mary's and then finding out that Thomas and Sarah's and Thomas and Ann's banns of marriage are still in the church locked away for posterity. It would be nice to touch base with the Aussie ancestors too so to speak.

Have a good weekend everyone and I hope this site continues to inspire us.

Angela     

[majm]

Hi all,

The National Library of Australia’s TROVE website is a valuable resource, and includes free to search digitised newspapers from c1803 to c1954. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

Here’s two relevant examples that may help advance the Australian lines of the Benson family history:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15844559 SMH 8 November 1919 Bertha BENSON’s marriage
that cutting would seem to match up with the NSW BDM online marriage index with gives Bertha BENSON marrying Edward E Walker in 1919 in the Ashfield district #8253.   (Summer Hill would of course be part of the NSW BDM's "Ashfield" district.
and
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15861172  SMH 29 July 1919 BENSON.-The Remains of the late Mrs. IDA FLORENCE BENSON will be laid to rest in the C. of E. Cemetery, Waverley, Vault Section, at 10.30 a.m. The Funeral Is appointed to leave Hinemoa, 230 Old Canterbury-road, Summer Hill ..... 
That cutting would seem to match up with the NSW BDM online index which shows that the death of Ida F BENSON, dau of John Y and Charlotte C was registered in 1919 in the Ashfield district.  #14705 and supports the notion re Waverley Cemetery as mentioned at reply #85.

Here is a link to the NSW Resources board at Rchat, I recommend it to you all.  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369703.0.html
there are so many links there on so many topics.  Perhaps there's a link to lead your research to Waverley Cemetery to follow up on Ida Florence Benson and to find who else was interred in the same Vault.

Here is a link to the NSW BDM online http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm
Transcript copies of NSW BDM certificates are cheaper and quicker (they can come by email) and contain the same information as the formal certificates.  I find that BDM certificates have been great for validating my own research on my own tree.

Cheers,  JM

[carna]

Thanks again JM,

I'm sure there are other relatives at Waverly Cemetery.
Seeing Nana today and will ask her as they used to visit the family gravesites regularly and should know. will keep all posted.

After a few reminders. . . . .  I'm back to Trove !

Thanks again,
Karen

[majm]

Re Dr Barker Joseph BENSON...
 
From the digitised newspapers, the last surviving son of the late Dr Barker Joseph BENSON MD was William Robson Benson.  William R Benson died 9 June 1926, at age 84 or 85.  (two notices on same page of same edition of the SMH of 10 June 1926.  He died at a private hospital at Marrickville, the widower of the late Ida Florence Benson. 

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16297916

From the NSW BDM online index it gives a clue about that private hospital...  “Home of Peace”  The NSW BDM index reference #7441. 

  Trove is a wonderful resource  it is free to search online from just about anywhere around the globe...  There are many on-going projects associated with trove, including additional newspapers being added regularly.  The National Library of Australia is one of our great institutions.

Cheers,  JM

[Barkrelsatthepoint]

Hi Jim,

Thanks for all the information, which confirms information we have. To add to this he was not only looked after in the hospital but was one of the 'Founding Fathers', so to speak.

Information about William is easy to glean as he is well written up in the newspapers especially as an Alderman and then the Mayor of Marrickville. Considering the numbers of kids he and Ida had he was an amazing fellow.  I've said before that I love the council report about the decision to tar Canterbury road. It sort of really sets him in the time of Australia history when everything was progressing into the modern era. 

You and others may be interested in these other dates and his accomplishments. Have a read of:

Thursday 29th May 1873 SMH
Queens Birthday Regatta - He is on the guest list along with others as a rep of The Marine Board of NSW - Have a look at the company he was keeping.

Tuesday 26th Jan 1875 SMH 87th Anniversary of founding of the Colony - he is listed as WR Benson Esq in the 'Guest of honours' and as a committee member.

14th October 1875 SMH  he's the Honored Secretary of the Mercantile Rowing Club.

4th January 1890 is another story.

9th February 1894 SMH he is the manager of the Wharf Association Marrickville.

7th May 1898 SMH is Hospital Saturday - fund raising day and he is an Alderman.

3rd September 1898 SMH he addresses the Stanmore Congregational Church.

20th January 1899 the hospital is now known as Marrickville Cottage Hospital and William is noted as JP and Mayor.

Same date is a reference to a Banquet in his honour.

Monday 12th June 1899 SMH is a story about the opening of the hospital

11th September 1900 SMH is another reference.

If anyone's got any other info or you can source other stuff Jim I'd be happy to read it.

He fascinates us as a man with such a huge social conscience.  As Kim wrote in a previous post - He died 'penniless'. 

Cheers and thanks for your interest - this site is really portraying an interesting part of Australian history. 

Angela

[majm]

Hi Angela,

I consider trove to be a great secondary resource, easy to access, easy to search and among the best for NSW 19th Century searching on the growth of democracy in the colony. To me, the digitised newspapers (an on-going project with many volunteers helping with OCR 'translations') are a grand way for following the development of much of the written history of Australia.  I prefer though to get closer to primary records when it comes to specific events about my own family members,as I have many private papers across a number of generations.  Thus for example I have found a great deal of detail in the holdings at the NSW SRO and these support much of both my oral history and the private papers.  Many of the NSW SRO indexes are online.  These indexes are all freely available and do not require any "log in" or subscription payments to access.   

So if I had found BENSON in any of my own family trees, and they were NSW based,  I would consider checking every file that mentioned that surname at the NSW SRO, including for example these two that mention another of Dr Barker Joseph Benson’s sons.... Willis.  (I have done similar for each of my NSW forebears lines, and on one line I am 7th generation NS Waler  with our newest family member being 10th generation)

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx . 

Divorce papers 1890, # 0574 Emily Benson v Willis Allitson and also
1891 #0683 George Dagg v Mary Ann Dagg, with co-respondent as Willis Allison Benson.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,513004.msg3693249.html

The are many many links on the NSW Resources Board here at RChat.

Re  WR Benson’s civil positions in the community,  has anyone contacted the archivist at the local government level? http://www.marrickville.nsw.gov.au/council/contact_us.html?s=904188452

Re Dr Barker Joseph Benson ... has anyone contacted the author of the book I have mentioned on several occasions.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Solling

Cheers, JM (I am not "Jim", wrong gender to be Jim, and spell check can give confusing options      )

Hi Jim, ...... Cheers and thanks for your interest - this site is really portraying an interesting part of Australian history.  Angela 

[blynch2]

Hi everyone!
William Robson & Ida Benson are buried at Waverley. I have been to visit them several times and last time took a photo. Will post it when I have time. They are buried with their infant son.
regards,
Kim.