MARSHALL in Loughborough 1820-1850

[JoBNZ]

My James William MARSHALL died here in New Zealand in Jan 1873, aged 49. He was described as from Loughborough, but I cannot find his family or his birth c 1822. We believe, but cannot prove, that his father was William, mother Mary Ann, & that in 1855 he had 2 brothers & a sister.

He arrived in 1852 & married in 1855, so he won't be in any census later than 1851.

In the 1851 UK census there is a JWM, ?home/flour agent, lodging in North Street, Barrow Upon Soar, and born about 1823 in Loughborough.

And in the 1841 census there is a family William (40, agent) & Hannah with 3 sons & a daughter that could be his family, in Derby Road, Loughborough.

James worked as an agent in NZ, so the 1841 entry seems possible even though the mother's name does not match. Of course, given the gap in age of children, the father may have married again.

I've searched for this birth at Leicester records office, IGI, Ancestry, Leicester Directory, & Find My Past, and various online resources. I've read the postings here re RAWSON & MARSHALL & though they are very interesting, I can't fit them in.

Any suggestions for the births of him, possible siblings Thomas, Joseph or Jane, or his parents' marriage?  Or deaths of the parents?

Many thanks

[dcbnwh]

I am not sure if this will be of help.

In 1841 William Whittle Marshall and Hannah, nee Goodacre, were living on Derby Road just before it joined The Rushes.

Nearby, in Church Gate, is a James Marshall, wrongly transcribed as Marshak. His age is given as 15, which was probably rounded down, so probably born between 1822 and 1826. He is an apprentice painter, living with Thomas Price, but, if the same person, perhaps he became a flour agent later.

David

[trish1120]

Hi Jo,
Welcome to Rootschat.
Is there no Parental info on NZ Marriage/Death Certs?

Trish

[diddymiller]

Hi Jo and welcome to the Leics board.

I live in Loughborough and regularly go to the local family history library. I will look up your man next time in and see what i can find.

Diddy 

[JoBNZ]

Thank you all for your comments and suggestions.

David - this felllow must be the WW Marshall & Hannah I had heard of.  I am interested in hearing if you can make out the name (or otherwise know) who the third child is in the family - various versions have offerred Joshua, John & James  - but I wonder if you think if might be Jas.Wm.? Do you have links with that family? The painter you found doesn't quite fit with what we hade from his mother-in-laws' letters when he first arrived in NZ, so I doubt, though cannot of course yet exclude that as a possibility.

Trish - doh! I have so searched for his family for years, and have copies of BDM certificates for almost all my other ancestors including his wife Jane. But  I have not done that for him, thanks for the prompt. Will do, however I doubt it will offer anything much in this instance - our civil death certificates did not include names of parents until late 1875 & he died in 1873.

Diddy - many thanks for your kind offer. I did go through the parish christening films of about 12 parishes in the Leicester records office, but didn't really see much more than online searches.  Having said that, I don't know his church - once married, he allowed his wife to attend CofE, but he was not much of a churchman himself.

Thank you all,
jo

[diddymiller]

Loughborough is not a large place - the numbers swell now with the university students but further back all BMDs would be All Saints - there are all transcribed in indexes so easy to search.

Having said that some of Davids Marshalls were baptists on the town - you mention Cof E though so heres hoping..

Diddy

[trish1120]

Hi Jo,
How very inconsiderate of him to die before records changed !.
Yes I am from NZ too, so know that most Certs contain invaluable info on them.

Trish

[dcbnwh]

Hi Jo,

The children on the 1841 census are Thomas, Joseph, John and Jane.

In 1851, the same family consists of William (a Warfinger), Harriet (possibly an error) and Mary Ann.
Just a thought, is the Mary Ann in question a sister and not a mother?

There is a tree on Ancestry with just William, Hannah and Mary Ann. This has  memorial inscriptions which might give a clue as to which church they attended.

Burials in Loughbough baptist churchyard: "in memory of William Whittle Marshall who died 17/2/1852 in the 60th year of his age. he was for 30 years the respected agent of Messirs Sutton & Co, wharf for the town.
Also of Hannah, relict of above, who suddenly exchanged time for eternity on 24/5/1855 in the 62nd year of her age. "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of Mary cometh"

If you can send me a personal message with your email address, I can send more detail.

Regards,
David

[dcbnwh]

One thing that I forgot to mention is that Mary Ann Marshall married John Keetley in 1858 and emigrated to New Zealand c1859. All of the children are shown as being born in New Zealand.

There is a copy of the marriage certificate which gives Mary's father as William Whittle, a bookkeeper. This is not the same as the censuses but I imagine that a bookkeeper could be become an agent or warfinger.

Mary died 1901 in Kaiapoi New Zealand.

The eldest son of William Whittle Marshal remained in Loughborough but I can't identify any of the others from the 1841 census. There are some possible death records or perhaps they emigrated also.

David