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Robert Sapy DEXTER (C 1823 Ringstead?- )
« on: Friday 11 February 11 17:39 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

I am looking for information on the birth and origins of  Robert Sapy DEXTER.
Here is what I know.  From the 26 Mar 1851 St Margaret Kings Lynn marriage register image on FamilySearch, I discovered that he named his father as Thomas SAPY (fisherman). He married Harriet ENEFER daughter of John ENEFER Publican. Where did the DEXTER surname come from then?  I presume this indicates that he was the illegitimate child of a female DEXTER and Thomas SAPY.  Are there other explanations?

I cannot find the newly wedded couple in the 1851 census but can find Robert and Harriet in the 1861, 1871, and 1881 censuses.  In these he uses an age that is consistent with a DOB of 1823.  In two censuses he gives his POB as Ringstead (one time recorded as Rinkstet) and once as Heacham.  I also cannot find him as a SAPY or DEXTER in the 1841 census.

I have checked the Heacham records on FreeREG and can find no Bapt for Robert as a SAPY or DEXTER.

The Ringstead PRs do not seem to have been filmed by the LDS -- or at least they are not among the parish registers currently listed on the FamilySearch site, and they are not yet transcribed on FreeREG.  Do they exist?

Can any of you find him (them) in 1851 and him in 1841 censuses? If the PRs for Ringstead do exist could SKS see if there is a baptism that seems to fit? Are there sources other than baptismal records  that might help me determine why he calls himself a DEXTER?

Thanks for any and all help/advice you can give me.

Rick
Looking for DEXTERs everywhere!

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Re: Robert Sapy DEXTER (C 1823 Ringstead?- )
« Reply #1 on: Friday 11 February 11 18:08 GMT (UK) »
A possibility in 1841 indexed as DAXTER and b 1821

HO107 Piece 784 Book 23 Folio 43 Page 21
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Re: Robert Sapy DEXTER (C 1823 Ringstead?- )
« Reply #2 on: Friday 11 February 11 18:12 GMT (UK) »
Hello Rick

Does the marriage register image online (which I am unable to alight upon - not yet nimble with the new familysearch site) extend to showing the witnesses to the marriage? With it taking place so close to census day 1851 they may be helpful in the search.  As I am sure you have already ascertained, the newlyweds were not with the ENEFER family on census night.

Anna  :)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Robert Sapy DEXTER (C 1823 Ringstead?- )
« Reply #3 on: Friday 11 February 11 18:12 GMT (UK) »
A possibility in 1841 indexed as DAXTER and b 1821

HO107 Piece 784 Book 23 Folio 43 Page 21

Hi Carole

I think that chap's still showing as unmarried in 1851 (?)

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Robert Sapy DEXTER (C 1823 Ringstead?- )
« Reply #4 on: Friday 11 February 11 18:16 GMT (UK) »
Yes - he is.  Now shown as Robert Dexter b 1822 Hickling .   As the census was taken on 30th March and he was married on 26th March - can't be him
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Re: Robert Sapy DEXTER (C 1823 Ringstead?- )
« Reply #5 on: Friday 11 February 11 18:18 GMT (UK) »
Possible newlyweds:

1851 census: HO107/1829/323/46

Whincop Street, St Margaret's, King's Lynn


Robert SEAPY Head Mar 27 Ship's Captain Norfolk Ringstead
Harriett do Wife Mar 23 Ship's Captain's Wife Norfolk Lynn
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Robert Sapy DEXTER (C 1823 Ringstead?- )
« Reply #6 on: Friday 11 February 11 18:26 GMT (UK) »
This family might be worth a look for Robert's parents (Thomas is a fisherman which accords with the information on Robert's marriage certificate):

1851 census: HO107/1827/346/38

Snettisham, Norfolk


Thomas SEAPEY Head Mar 48 Fisherman Norfolk Snettisham
Ann do Wife Mar 51 Norfolk Ringstead
Hannah do Daur 15 Norfolk Snettisham
William do Son 13 Scholar Norfolk Snettisham
Susannah do Daur 7 Scholar Norfolk Snettisham

This same couple with more children (no Robert with them unfortunately) was also in Snettisham in 1841 as SAPY: HO107/782/20/35
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Robert Sapy DEXTER (C 1823 Ringstead?- )
« Reply #7 on: Friday 11 February 11 18:32 GMT (UK) »
A marriage from Familysearch:


Marriage, 4 Nov 1825

Thomas SEAPY
Ann DEXTER

Snettisham, Norfolk
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Robert Sapy DEXTER (C 1823 Ringstead?- )
« Reply #8 on: Friday 11 February 11 18:35 GMT (UK) »
Just beat me to it - Ann was a second wife and Robert born either within or without any previous marriage
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