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Re: Frances Verrall Birth
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 10 February 11 17:55 GMT (UK) »
lizdb - according to my inherited info and also the Ringmer village website (http://www.ringmer.info) she appears as Fanny Ranger

In receipt of Parish ....... ?


I think she is a "Recipient of Charity Property (?) - wd. [widow] of ag. lab."
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Frances Verrall Birth
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 10 February 11 18:41 GMT (UK) »
still cannot see a death of a fanny ranger or a frances ranger in 1858
where did you get the info that she died in 1858
in fact i cannot find a death in lewes between 1851-1861
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Re: Frances Verrall Birth
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 10 February 11 18:47 GMT (UK) »
This looks promising (from GRO register, not FreeBMD):

Death Sep qtr 1858

Frances RANGER

Lewes 2b 85
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Frances Verrall Birth
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 10 February 11 19:15 GMT (UK) »
thankyou all so much - you have moved me forward !
I will now attempt to trace some siblings.
How do you use IGI ??
many thanks again
Dave :)
RANGER - Ringmer, Sussex
STRUDWICK - Wisborough Green, Sussex
LILLYWHITE - Findon, Sussex
JOHNSTON - Bolton, Lancs
WILLARD, Etchingham, Sussex
GOULDING, Bolton, Lancs


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Re: Frances Verrall Birth
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 12 February 11 18:07 GMT (UK) »
Dave,
You can search the IGI from the LDS website (www.familysearch.org) but it is a case of caveat emptor.  The IGI reflects user based submissions that may, or may not, be accurate.  For example, the IGI record that was cited states that the birth was 04 May 1770.  Only occasionally does the Parish Register list the date of birth.  It should list the baptism date but many people list that date as the birth date.  Sometimes that is a cause of much confusion.  Also the Parish Register will record the make of the person being baptised and the first name of the parents.  Therefore, in this case the person that submitted the IGI record assumed the surname of the mother (most probably correct).

I would always confirm what you find in the IGI and for Sussex would recommend joining the Sussex Family History Group.  Members can search a large number of Parish Registers for Sussex.  Again, these rely on transcriptions so there can be errors. 

For the baptism of Fanny Verrall the Parish Register indicates that she was baptised on 04 Mar 1770 at St Mary's Church, Eastbourne.  Parents were John Verrall and Ruth.

Note the slightly different date (Mar not May)

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Mark
Milton - Brighton, Eastbourne
Foord - Westham, Ringmer
Sellens/Sellins/Sellings - Sedlescombe, Crowhurst
Cash - Tonbridge, Kent
Harding - Horsham
Bodle - Hailsham, Alfriston
Crowhurst - Hailsham, Westham
Roods/Roads/Rhodes - Hailsham, Westham
Sinnock - Hailsham
Silsby - Brighton
Thomas - Brighton
Tullett - Brighton
Verrall - Sussex

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Re: Frances Verrall Birth
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 12 February 11 20:51 GMT (UK) »
From the Sussex Marriage Index
Eastbourne, East Sussex, 6 Jan 1764
John VERRALL
Ruth PEIRCE, botp  (B)
wit: Geo PEIRCE; Thos MANTLEVERRALL

From the Sussex Marriage Index
Brighton, East Sussex, 16 Apr 1793
Frances VERRALL, sp otp  (B)
Henry RANGER, bach pte.Sx.Militia now otp

From the Sussex Marriage Index
Brighton, East Sussex, 5 May 1828
Philadelphia RANGER, sp
Thomas WHITEMAN, bach botp
 
Ian C
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Re: Frances Verrall Birth
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 12 February 11 23:47 GMT (UK) »
Here are the children of John and Ruth Verrall

Richard Verrall (baseborn) chr 06 Jan 1764
Sarah Verrall chr 08 Dec 1765
Edward Verrall chr 01 May 1768
Ruth Verrall chr 16 Feb 1772
James Verrall chr 23 Jan 1774
Dinah Verrall chr 28 Apr 1776

Richard was christened on John and Ruth's wedding day.  All christenings at St Mary's Eastbourne
Milton - Brighton, Eastbourne
Foord - Westham, Ringmer
Sellens/Sellins/Sellings - Sedlescombe, Crowhurst
Cash - Tonbridge, Kent
Harding - Horsham
Bodle - Hailsham, Alfriston
Crowhurst - Hailsham, Westham
Roods/Roads/Rhodes - Hailsham, Westham
Sinnock - Hailsham
Silsby - Brighton
Thomas - Brighton
Tullett - Brighton
Verrall - Sussex

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Re: Frances Verrall Birth
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 03 March 11 11:52 GMT (UK) »
Frances RANGER was buried at Ringmer on 30 Sep 1858, her age recorded in the register as 98. Ages of older residents are very often exagerated.

In Dec 1802 H. RANGER was a tenant of a cottage property called The Islands, Ringmer Green (still there, now extended) but too poor to be expected to pay the overseers' rates.

Henry RANGER was buried 21 May 1821 aged 57. Widow RANGER received a regular parish pension thereafter under the Old Poor Law. The overseers' records include many such pension lists indicating the amount paid. In 1822 she had 4s 0d per week (presumably at least one child still at home), but by 1828 she was getting only 1s 0d per week - not enough to live on so she must have been expected to shift for herself at least in part.

In 1835 when the new Poor Law Union came into effect the paupers ordered to be removed from Ringmer workhouse to other Union workhouses included Widow RANGER aged 67 who was sent to Ditchling workhouse, which the Union was using for the elderly poor [ESRO/G2/1a/1, entry 11 Nov 1835]

In the 1841 census Francis RANGER aged 70 (70-74) lodged with Thomas DIVALL in his lodging house on Church Hill, Ringmer (previously a beerhouse).

In 1851 Fanny RANGER (aged 83, born Eastbourne) was one of the occupants of the then-new (built 1848) Ringmer alms cottages, North Road, Ringmer Green (still there, converted to a house).

Her eldest son John was not baptised in Ringmer, but was born in 1794 - evidence is ESRO/Par.461/36/1 dated 4 Aug 1794 noting Henry RANGER was a private in the Sussex militia serving as substitute for a Withyham man. His wife Fanny and son John, aged 7 months, were to receive 3s 0d per week from the Ringmer overseers, who were to be reimbursed by Withyham parish. A note on the reverse shows that she was in Ringmer workhouse Nov 1794-Jan 1795, receiving clothes listed and also charged to Withyham Par.461/36/16 notes that in Aug 1801 (Napoleonic Wars) Henry RANGER was inrolled in the Sussex Militia and was in actual service at Battle Barracks. John RANGER (1794-1875) had a long and not entirely trouble-free history in Ringmer - jailed in 1832 for beating up an overseer who was leading the fight to rgeain social control after the Captain Swing riots of 1830.

Henry and Frances /Fanny also had five other children bapt at Ringmer 1796-1806, the youngest son (Henry) dying as an infant. Her daughters, no better than they should be, presented the parish with some illegitimate children, and some good stories about the parish attempts to get them married off.