Goodliffe family Wakerley

[Twojugs]

My Great-grandfather was Robert Goodliffe who was born in Wakerley c1861 and lived in Wakerley, Weekly, East Carlton and Kettering. However, I can find no evidence of him before his marriage in 1887 to Eliza Glithero.
I would welcome any information about him, particularly his parents, to be able to continue the tree.

Thanks

Tony Johnson

[southistle]

His marriage certificate will have the name of his father (unless he was illegitimate)

The witnesses may be family members.

[Twojugs]

Thanks

Its a little more dificlut to get originals as I now live in Canada, but I guess thats the only way. I will look into it.

Thanks again.

Tony

[Evie]

Hi

This needs some going into but the only Robert I could see born about 1860, Waverley, in the census was a Robert Charity with parents John Charity and Catherine. Looking for a marriage although there was quite a few children with them in 1861 census was in 1859 John Charity to Catherine Goodliff, Uppingham. Will get you references shortly, have to rush out now.

evie

[Evie]

Hi Tony

The marriage was Uppingham District Q3 7a 389 for John and Catherine.

The census was 1861 living Wakerley

RG09 piece 2310 folio 49 page 2

John Charity 43 Ag Lab
Catherine 29
Elizabeth 11
Mary Ann 8
Fanny 7
Ellen 6
Robert 1year 10 month 

All born Wakerley

As the census was taken April and Robert is 1 year 10 month that should bring his birth to about June 1859. I can see no Robert Charity born then but there was a Robert Goodliffe Uppingham 1859 Q2 which includes June. Ref 7a 255.

evie

[Twojugs]

Thanks Evie.

The plot thickens!!!

I now have Robert's birth certificate, which give his mother as "Catherine Goodliffe", but no father. The d.o.b. is 27 May, 1859 in Wakerley.

I can find no trace of either of them in 1861 census or even of Catherine in 1851? In fact, I cannot race a Catherine Goodliffe of the correct age anywhere.

It is odd that the Charity family have both a Catherine and a Robert of the correct age, or am I reading too much into this?

Seems to be the classic brickwall. I will be in the UK in May. Would there be any other records I might look for while I am there?

Tony

[Evie]

Hi Tony

This is what I believe.

Robert was the illegitimate son of Catherine Goodliff.

Catherine married John Charity sometime in July, August or September 1859.

As he was a baby he has been given the surname of John (Charity)

I have followd them through to 1881 census and he stays with the name Charity. However I can find no Robert Charity in 1891.

Cathrine Goodliffe is on the 1841 census for Wakerley born about 1831 so I think this is her.

Ref HO107 Piece 797 Book 21  Folio 5 Page 35 Line 17

It looks like John Charity dies in the April, May June quarter of 1891.

In answer to your question I am not familiar with local records for Northamptonshire but I will see if I can find anything for you.

evie

[Evie]

Hi Tony

On the Northamptonshire resource board, Sandy (seahall) has put up a good link. If you were to visit anywhere I would suggest here.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/06jm/

There is also another Rootschatter northants1841 who may be willing to do a look up for you for the marriages, as the family don't seem to move away from Wakerley as far as I can see. The only problem he was last on line 30 Dec 2010 but it might be worth you asking him by sending a PM with a link to this thread.

You will find him here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,191473.0.html

evie

[mgeneas]

The marriage is in the Northants 1837-1860 marriage index

John CHARITY otp, age 41, bachelor, labourer, father Wiliam, labourer
Catherine GOODLIFF otp, age, 29, spinster, father John, shoemaker
21 Aug 1859 Wakerley