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tn17's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In
« on: Tuesday 08 February 11 09:34 GMT (UK) »


Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt and it's a right puzzler......  but you'll work it out.

Good Luck and Good Hunting

Barbara

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Letitia Forbes, or Barrett?

My GG-grandmother, Ann Mary Burgess, was born in June 1858 in Bethnal Green, Middlesex. Her parents, as listed on the certificate, are Richard Burgess and Letitia Barrett. Letitia was the informant.

Richard was born on December 24, 1815 in Rainham, Kent to Richard (?) Burgess and Fanny Irons, and died on 26 Sep 1880 in Bethnal Green. Letitia was born some time around 1816, in Woolwich, Kent, and died in Edmonton in 1892.

This thread shows the family in various censuses: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,241968.msg1317076.html   Note that Letitia's name changes - she is sometimes 'Lydia', and sometimes 'Elizabeth'.

What I can't find is a dead-certain marriage between Richard and Letitia/Lydia/Elizabeth. There is one possible, as well as a range of semi-confusing information. This thread covers all of the relevant details: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,508460.0.html

For the sake of completeness here, the key details are:

* There is a possible marriage between Richard Burgess and Letitia Forbes in early 1843. On that certificate, Richard is a paper-stainer, and his father's name is Richard. Letitia is a spinster, whose father is listed as Thomas Forbes.

*The most likely 1841 for Richard shows him with Letitia, a brother George, and a John Barrett. His occupation is given as paper-stainer. On his christening, George's father's name is listed as Thomas.

* On the 1851 census, there is a Richard Burgess, 56, widower, paper stainer, b Maidstone, Kent visiting a house in Lambeth. Whoever he is, he's not Ann Mary's father, as I'm confident that I have that family correct on the 1851. He seems on the young side to be Richard senior, and I can't find him on the 1841.

The things I'm hoping for a little help with are:

* Do you think Letitia Barrett and Letitia Forbes are one and the same?

* If so, can we find anything that helps tie the two names together?

* Alternatively, is there a marriage between Richard and Letitia Barrett that I've flat-out missed?

* If at all possible, tracking down some more information about where Letitia is from. One detail that doesn't change between censuses is that her place of birth is Woolwich, Kent. However, I haven't found anything from Woolwich for either a Letitia Forbes or a Letitia Barrett

* Opinions on the various Burgesses, especially the Lambeth one on the 1851, would also be welcomed.

Thanks so much
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Re: tn17's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 February 11 09:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone,

It's nighttime here in Australia, but I'll be about to answer any questions you may have and contribute to the hunt. I love a challenge as much as anyone, although this one does have me stumped.


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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 08 February 11 09:39 GMT (UK) »



Blimey......... you're quick off the mark          ;D ;D ;D
Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.<br />Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden<br />Lamb In Bolton and Ireland<br />Grundy In Bolton<br />Blackledge In Bolton<br />Osbaldeston  ?? ??<br />Barnett in Islington<br />Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton

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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 08 February 11 10:56 GMT (UK) »
Bookmarking  ;D
Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex  Punnett-Sussex,  Bear/e- Monkleigh Gazey-Warwicks

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 08 February 11 11:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tn

 ;D ;D

Hopefully we'll get it solved this time!

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 February 11 12:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tn

 ;D ;D

Hopefully we'll get it solved this time!

deb
Hope so! It's certainly... A challenge...

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 08 February 11 12:25 GMT (UK) »
firstly note I’ve not read through the other threads  :)

Is there a marriage for Letitia Forbes to Mr. Barrett ?
Who is John Barrett in the 1841 census? Have you followed him ?
1841 census doesn’t show relationships so George may not be Richards brother but cousin so Richards father may be Richard and Georges father maybe Thomas
Can you fin Richard Burgess of 1851 in 1861?
Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex  Punnett-Sussex,  Bear/e- Monkleigh Gazey-Warwicks

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 08 February 11 12:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi tn

Just read the thread that we had been working on prior to this,

I wonder if we shouldn't try to find John BARRETT, BRICKMAKER, again. I also noticed that Fanny Burgess nee Irons (mother of Richard and George) was was left interest in her father's farm that was being used as a BRICKWORKS.

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 08 February 11 12:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Toni

Letitia Forbes is shown as a SPINSTER on mariage cert.

We tried every which way to fathom her out ...but we are stumped.

George states his dad is Richard on marriage cert ...although his baptism states Thomas ...confusion!!!!!

tn ...I wonder if ordering another birth cert would reveal anything new:
Richard: could be either of
Mar Qtr 1841: Bethnal Green, Vol 2 Pg 21, or
June Qtr 1842: Bethnal Green, Vol 2 Pg 20
Fanny: Sept Qtr 1844: Stepney, Vol 2 Pg 451 or 457
Lydia: could be either of
'Lydia Baines Burgess' Mar Qtr 1845, Bethnal Green, Vol 2 Pg 55
'Letitia Burgess' June Qtr 1846, Stepney, Vol 2 Pg 524
John: June Qtr 1848: Stepney, Vol 2 Pg 495
Caroline: Sept Qtr 1850: Bethnal Green, Vol 2 Pg 28
Harriet: June Qtr 1852: Bethnal Green,  Vol 1c Pg 247
Ann Mary: Sept Qtr 1858: Bethnal Green, Vol 1c Pg 201

deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


All UK census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk