tn17's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In

[deb usa]

Hi tn

well, it's great to have the address confirmed  .... which then leads us to John Barrett who was living with them ..... Maybe he will lead us to the answers. I know I have searched for him but maybe fresh eyes and starting again may reveal something.

deb

[tn17]

I'll see what I can do. I'll also see if what other Barretts b Woolwich are doing the rounds on the 1851.

[Cherryexile]

Hello,

I am coming to this late, which is a shame, because I think I have most of the information that I think you were looking for on the Burgess family, although I too am without a marriage for Richard Burgess and Letitia/Lydia Barret.

I don't have time now to trawl through the 106 posts to see where you have got to, so apologies if this duplicates.

Richard Burgess m. Fanny Tanner (Irons) and had the following children,

Richard Burgess m. Letitia Barrett
George Mackland Burgess m. Ann Poynton
John Burgess (unmarried as far as I can tell)
Mary Ann Burgess m. Anthony Aransola

Fanny also had a daughter by Mr. Tanner (can't remember his name of the top of my head).

Fanny died in 1842 and was buried in Chatham. She left Mackland Farm in Rainham / Upchurch in Kent in equal shares to her 5 children. Although George was born in Middlesex he was baptised in Rainham.

Rainham Farmhouse is still there, although it is now a Residential Home. There are records of the Land Transfer in Kent Record Office.

Enjoy.

Neil

[Cherryexile]

Posting error, please remove

[Cherryexile]

OK, I have now read the posts (well most of them) and have access to my research (I was on a 5.57am train from Crewe to Edinburgh when I started my last post.

Fanny Irons b. bef Dec 1778 was the only surviving daughter of John Irons (Tea Dealer) and Anne Lowery, who lived in Chatham, Kent. John purchased Mackland Farm, Rainham/Upchurch, Kent, from a Government Pension Board and left it to Fanny when he died in Nov 1808.

Fanny married Richard Tanner, in St. Bride, Fleet on 16 Jun 1809 and they had a child, Fanny Tanner between 1811 and 1813. Fanny Tanner married John Clayton.

When Richard died. Fanny married secondly, Richard Burgess (snr.) and they had 4 children,

Ann Mary Burgess               (b. abt Jul 1814) m. Anthony Aransola
Richard Burgess                  (b. 4 Dec 1815) m. Letitia/Lydia Barrett
John Burgess                      (b. 18 Oct 1818) unmarried (as far as I can tell)
George Mackland Burgess  (b. 15 Apr 1822) m. Ann Poynton

All of this ties in with the 1841 Census where Richard, Letitia, John and George are all living together in Bethnal Green.

There are some problems, with Fanny Irons, dying in 1841/2, but not appearing on the 1841 Census, and there not being a death record, for Richard Burgess (snr.), but basically this fits.

[Cherryexile]

Between 1813 and Fanny's death in 1842, Richard had his Bankruptcy and Court Cases over the failure of the Brickmaking activity taking place at Mackland Farm. However, since the Farm was never in his possession, it appears that it was not affected by his Bankruptcy. It remained in Fanny's possession, for her to hand down in equal share to her 5 children. They were immediately granted a £300 line of Credit on their individual shares and there are Indenture dealings about the Farm in Kent Archives, which show it slowly passing out of the family until it was sold in the 1860's.

Richard and Letitia/Lydia had the following children that I am aware of,

Letitia Burgess    b. bet Jul-Sep 1839
Richard Burgess  b. bet Apr-Jun 1842
Fanny Burgess    b. bet Jul-Sep 1844
Lydia Burgess     b. bet Mar-Jun 1845
John Burgess      b. 4 Mar 1848
Caroline Burgess b. Jul-Sep 1850
Harriet Burgess   b. Apr-Jun 1852
Ann Mary Burgess b. 1858

Richard died in 1880 with an estate worth under £100, whereas his brother George Mackland Burgess, dies 3 years later with an estate worth £3,500 and two properties. Richard was buried in Manor Park Cemetery, East London, in the same plat as at least 3 of his children.

I am a descendent of John Burgess b.1848.

Neil

[deb usa]

WOW Neil!

I need to reread but I have been on the trail with tn from the beginning ... Late here but I am glad you can't find the Burgess/Barrett marriage either , or else I would feel foolish!

However there must be an explaination for all of this!

I am really happy about the 1841 find that confirms that George Macland Burgess is the brother of Richard!

deb

[Tephra]

I'll second that WOW and add another......... WOW!!!    Won't TN be well chuffed when he comes back on again!!

Barbara

[tn17]

Yes, Neil's done a splendid job  As he pointed out, there's still a few things that don't fit neatly, but he's really uncovered so much!

And Deb, I'm also glad there wasn't an obvious Burgess/Barrett marriage we just missed.