Census lookup Alfred and Frances Hartley

[KGarrad]

I am trying to find the registration number of Mary Ann Maud's birth so that I may apply for a birth certificate. As it is prior to BMD could you tell me where I can look for the registration number? 

If she was born before July 1837 then there will NOT be a birth certificate!

Birth certificates were only issued once civil registration started.

[avm228]

On her marriage certificate the signature for her father was Joseph Drake.

Fathers don't sign English marriage certificates, unless they happen to be a witness in which case they sign in that capacity.

Who were the witnesses to the marriage (there should have been at least two) and what exactly were the details (if any) given regarding Mary Ann's father?  Any clues may be helpful in tracing Frances.  Presumably you don't yet know whether Frances was still alive by the 1841 census?

[KGarrad]

Seeing as how the abode at the birth of Mary Ann was Clayton, I checked the 1841 census for any Maud/e family in Clayton.

Reference is HO107, Piece 1295, Book/Folio 2/10, Page 14
Paliah, Bradford, Clayton

Maude, Joshua  M  55  Weaver Worsted
Maude, Mary  F  60
Maude, Satah  F  20
Maude, Jonathan  M  20
Maude, William  M  15
Maude, James  M  10      All born in Yorkshire

I would assume that these are family?


Furthermore, I can only find 1 female Frances Maude in the whole of Yorkshire, and she is married to Francis Maude!
There is a 40 year old Frances Maud, but she is married to Joseph Maud.
Also a 50 year old in Hunslet, married to Robert Maud.
The remaining 2 Frances Mauds are aged 6 and 15.

Conclusion?
Frances Maude has either married between 1829 and 1841, or she has died

[Calverley Lad]

Looking at the entry for the marriage of Alfred and Frances 1856 01 13, the father of Frances is James Maud (cordwainer) whilst Alfred's father David (delver).
No occupation for Frances is given.
 Brian

[mama]

Thanks to all those who replied.
Regarding the Marriage Certificate of Mary Ann Maude.  The witnesses were "Amos Crowther" and "James Boothroyd" and the names of the parents were entered.  The bride's father was said to be Joseph Drake occupation "Mason". I have tried previously to find Joseph Drake in the Stainland, Elland area where they were married.  Maybe that he came from an area closer to Bradford.
I had noted that there was a Frances Maud in Hunslet but found that Hunslet was closer to Leeds and hoped to find something around Bradford.
I found the marriage of Joshua Maud and Mary Hartley on 23/2/12 in Bradford but could't find any birth for Frances (or Fanny) that tied in.  I am limited in resources really so appreciate any information and welcome suggestions (as long as they are kind ones!)
I only assumed that Frances was a single mother as there wasn't any father mentioned on her Certificate.  Maybe she was married or  widowed?
Marg.

[mama]

I have found a Frances Maude born in Norland (yorkshire) daughter of John Maude.  She married William Horsfall on 1st September 1849.  This was found on IGI, information taken from 1881 CEnsus.  I have not been able to confirm their marriage on BDM

Marg.