horse stealing

[cathygwen]

Hi   some info just came to light that john mc phee ended up in ayrshire from inverness after being busted for stealing horses, does anyone know how I can find his record. as he is in the 1851   dalmellington census  as a farm lab place dalmelllington address silly hole. he marries agnes smith 15 oct 1854 dalmellington. he leaves for australia 1857 with his wife.  I have been trying to find his birth in 1833 father named james, but no luck so I thought if I could find this record it might give the info I'm looking for.       thanks for any help 

[tidybooks]

Hi Cathygwen,

Can I ask what you have for proof of horse stealing etc, I went onto NAS and could not find anything related to a John McPhee. What have you got as definite proof, any certificates etc. I cannot find marriage on LDS either.

Tom

[ev]

hi all 

it's not this john mcphee is it ?

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=alisontassie&id=I83880

it might suggest an australian birth 

ev

[cathygwen]

Hi  yes I have the marriage between john and agnes on the marriage certificate it is spelt mcphie in aust it is mcphee. it say both of this parish 15/10/1854 married, the horse stealing comes thru family stories from another family member, but he was committed to trial twice in australia for horse stealing  so perhaps there is some fact in the tale.

[cathygwen]

Yes some of that is correct he did marry robina smith the niece of agnes smith who he married in dalmellington agnes died  1876 age 43 adelaide hospital. he did go to irish town tasmania where he died 1900, but he was born scotland.  they arrived on the ship david mc ivor 7 april 1857 their first child agnes was born at sea.   thanks    cathygwen

[tidybooks]

Hi Cathygwen,

Right I found marriage between John "McPhie" and Agnes Smith. I take it that you have proof that they are yours. Being an OPR you would only get bride's fathers name if that.
Checked the NAS again, and no horse stealing for John McPhie either

On the death certificates did it give you parent details?


Tom

[cathygwen]

Hi  It was the only marriage that fit on the death certificate it said how long she had been married  on the marriage certificate between john and robena john is a widow and his fathers name is james robina is charles I found charles and mary ann death in aust and then their marriage in scotland also charles and agnes in the 1841 census in maybole. nothing else on johns.

[sancti]

Does the census confirm his birthplace as Inverness?

The Ancestry version gives his birthplace as Scotland.

[cathygwen]

Hi again no the 1851 census that I got was piece sct 1851 place  dalmellington  ayrshire enum  dist z parish dalmellingtonn mc phee john um 18 farm lab and that was all.  sorry just checked the census says born scotland helpfull this guy is not. his second wife robina was a pain as well changing where she waas born all the time but  have her arrival by boat as an infant with her parents from scotland via liverpool arrived port adelaide 7 april 1855 on the ship flora.