Crouch Family of Hastings.

[Clif]

At the SOG , in a Crouch file, a hand drawn Pedigree had a John Crouch Abt 1662 ( Herts) Marrying a Sarah Geary ( IGI 1695 All Saints, Hastings). The Ancestors of this  John Crouch were correct back to Abt 1480, and the descendents of, together with half a dozen pages of additional notes, also seem to be correct from info I have found on the web, including that from the 1066 website.
However,  several trees on Rootsweb World Connect project has the spouse of Sarah Geary as  John,  but born later and descended from a Sussex line. The source for all these Trees seems to be the LDS.
I am more inclined to follow the SOG Pedigree.
Firstly the Sussex Crouch families I have seen are Farmers, Ag Labs, carpenters, Butchers and Shoemakers.
The Hastings Crouch line were ' Gentlemen', Jurats, Surgeon, Mayor and connected to Edward Milward, one spouse related to Charles Steevens  3 times mayor of Hastings. In those days there were defining lines between the classes and ' position and money seemed to be it.  The positions of the Crouch family certainly  match those of the Crouch line of Layston,  Hertfordahire, the Layston Church website has much of our combined research into the Crouch family online.
I read through a batch of  Crouch Wills at TNA's  last saturday and have posted the results /notes on Rootsweb ' Crouch' Message Boards.


I am looking for clarificatation /info on John Married to sarah Geary.

- Clif

[omega 1]

Hi Clif

From the Sussex Marriage Index

17 Mar 1695/6 at Hastings,All Saints

Sarah Geary & John Crouch.

Hope this helps

Kind Regards

omega

[Clif]

  Thanks for the reply, I had the Marriage its more 'who' the John Crouch was that is my concern. My thoughts are that if he left a ' Hastings Archdeaconary' Will it might refer to his relatives , parents, siblings , be they Herts or Sussex ones, which would prove his ancestry.
I note one other Tree on Wikki has this Johns grandson Born 8 years before the parents married to fit the equation so to speak,  and then a different spouse and children to those on said SOG Pedigree, the kids being born 'Brede'.
I v can see I am going to have to go back to the SOG and rummage through the Crouch file a bit more.
For the Kent Board on here, someone enquiring about a Matilda Mills nee Crouch, I have listed 2 Wills at least on Rootsweb with her mentioned.
- Clif

[Clif]

This is a list of a few Crouch Wills I looked at online at The National Archives, kew.  
 
Description Will of Mary Crouch, Spinster of Hastings , Sussex
Date 20 December 1853
Catalogue reference PROB 11/2182
Notes:  meny tions her 3 brothers Walter, Charles Stevens and James Crouch. She mentuions 3 sisters, daughters of her late brother Thomas Lovell Crouch, being Frances Sarah Crouch, Ellen - the wife of ( Doun(s)all?? ( I have Donmall from SOG Pedigree) and Mary Ann Crouch. Then 3 daughters of her brother James Crouch, Sarah, Maria Ann and Elizabeth Crouch.
 
Description Will of Walter Crouch, Gentleman of Hastings , Sussex
Date 15 April 1853
Catalogue reference PROB 11/2170  
Notes:  Brother James Crouch  and Charles ( Rex?? ) Crouch and Walter Crouch executors. Mentioned Sister in Law Elizabeth Parkhurst widow of Stilhad?? Parkhurst of Cuckfield, Sussex....also .....? Mary Ann (Bowell??) parkhurst widow of the late Edward Bryant parkhurst of Lancing.
 
 Description Will of Thomas Crouch of Saint George Southwark , Surrey
Date 29 August 1842
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1966  
Notes only son Charles Crouch of Brighton.
Wit to Will: Henry and Thomas Stevens??
( In the  Hasting Crouch line there is a Marriage to the Surname Stevens )
 
 Description Will of James Crouch, Barrack Serjeant of Ore , Sussex
Date 21 October 1840
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1934  
Notes:  Wife Ann. Mentions John and Caleb Crouch who are in business together as shoemakers, in St Clements, Hastings - both REPUTED children of his from before his Marriage to his wife!!!...he also mentions 3 more REPUTED children  by his wife before they Married, Frederick Crouch, Caroline Crouch and Alfred Crouch. THEn he mentuions HIS CHILDREN ( ha ha ) Charles, Ann and Allen Crouch.
 
Description Will of Charles Steevens Crouch, Surgeon of Hastings , Sussex
Date 16 November 1832
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1807  
Notes:  Surgeon: brothers Walter and James sister Mary . Quite a short Will.
 
Description Will of Smith Crouch, Gentleman of Hastings , Sussex
Date 12 June 1827
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1727  
Notes very hard if not impossible to read. Would need to get a copy and clean it up and enlarge to read through.Wife Ann.
 
Description Will of Ann Crouch, Spinster of Hastings , Sussex
Date 22 July 1823
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1673  
Notes Brother Thomas Crouch deceased and  his daughter Mary Crouch.
Nieces and Nephews: John Pollard Crouch, nathaniel Crouch, Mary the wife of George Woollett, Ann wife of Edward TEBAY ( I had Jebay- Clif), children of her late brother Nathaniel Crouch.
Nieces and Nephews: Walter Crouch, Charles Stevens Crouch, Thomas Lovell Crouch, James Crouch, Mary Crouch all children of her late brother Thomas Crouch.
 
Description Will of Thomas Crouch, Gentleman of Town and Port of Hasting , Sussex
Date 21 February 1817
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1589  
Notes: Bequeths to sister Ann Crouch ( spinster ) ( see Will above). Daughter mary Crouch, Sons Walter Crouch, Charles Stevens Crouch, Lovell Crouch, James Crouch and Thomas Crouch.
 
 Description Will of Lovell Crouch, Gentleman of Saint Clement , Sussex
Date 27 April 1815
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1567  
Notes:  Wife Sarah. Daughters Ann and Louise ( pretty sure on Louise.
 
Description Will of Sarah Crouch, Spinster of Hastings, Sussex
Date 23 December 1809
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1506  
Notes:  Brothers and Sisters: Ann Crouch, Thomas Lovell Crouch, Susannah widow of John Phillips, nathaniel Crouch
 
Description Will of Susannah or Susanna Crouch, Widow of Hasting , Sussex
Date 23 May 1783
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1103  
Notes:  Grand daughter WINIFRED PHILLIPS. Susannah's children: John Crouch, Susannah Phillips nee Crouch, Thomas Crouch, Sarah Crouch, Lovell Crouch, Ann Crouch, Nathaniel Crouch.
 

- Clif

[trevorm]

Hi Cliff,

I am researching the Sussex Crouch family as I am descended from the Agricultural line and have got back to Nathaniel Crouch who married Elizabeth Miller in 1782 in Hooe. I have always thought there ought to be a connection to the Hastings Nathaniel Crouchs but have not found one. I was wondering if in your research you had identified any connection or any evidence that the 2 families were unconnected. I am more than happy to pass on anything I have on the family.

Cheers

Trevor

[Chris in 1066Land]

Cliff

First of all thank you for the comments on my 1066 website hosted by rootschat.

I noticed that there are several baptisms of children belonging to John & Sarah here in Hastings recorded in the register of All Saints.
19th Jan 1701 Sarah
14th Jun 1704 Charles
21st Nov 1706 Anne
19th Jan 1708 Richard
7th Apr 1713 Nathaniel
8th Jun 1716 Mary
no other information is given other than son or daughter of John & Sarah

Dont know whether they belong to you or not

Chris in 1066