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Hugh RAE Domoch Firth Scotland
« on: Sunday 06 February 11 18:48 GMT (UK) »
Trying to trace parents of Hugh Rae born 1835 in Domoch, Firth. Scotland. Died March 1910 in Carlisle. England. Married to Jane Young 1872 also another spouse Janet Johnson. Any help welcome. Kindest Regards. Olaf

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Re: Hugh RAE Domoch Firth Scotland
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 February 11 20:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi Olaf,

Checked Scotland 41 Census but not coming up with any Sutherland born Hugh Rae's.

And looked for Rae's in Dornoch area on the mormons page but joy there either, plenty of MacRaes though!

Do you have anything more to go on?  Do you have him in other census'?

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Re: Hugh RAE Domoch Firth Scotland
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 February 11 20:28 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your reply yes I found Hugh and his family in the 1881 census but my grandfather was not in the picture as yet because he was born in 1888. No parent though.
Kindest Regards Olaf

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Re: Hugh RAE Domoch Firth Scotland
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 06 February 11 21:49 GMT (UK) »
Where did you find him in 1881 Scotland or England?
Is he the one in Carlisle/engine driver?
Checked Scotlands People & no Hugh Rae born Sutherland,1830-40.
Where did this info. come from as on all the censuses (1861-1901) he only states his birthplace as Scotland.
Hugh Rae married Jane Young in 1861
details:
dec.1861/carlisle/10b/678
This will give his fathers name.
He's still with Jane in 1891 but widowed in 1901.
Where does Janet fit in?
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Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
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Re: Hugh RAE Domoch Firth Scotland
« Reply #4 on: Monday 07 February 11 08:26 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Jim1. I found Hugh and his family on the English 1881 Census. Yes he was the Carlisle engine driver. It was said that Hugh was driving one of the engines involved with the Gretna Green Rail Disaster at Quintinshill. This I have disproved as the disaster was on the 22nd May 1915, GGrandfather Hugh died in 1910 and if he was alive in 1915 he would have been 78 years old, too old to be driving steam engines. Hugh was a crack engine driver in his time and used to drive the "Royal Scot" between Carlisle and London and was invariably chosen to drive the Royal Family (Queen Victoria's) up to Scotland on Vacation to Balmoral and to Glasgow Ship launchings. Thank you also for the date of marriage for Jane Young. I had about 1872 due to the first born John being born in 1863. I Now I am totally confused as a relative in USA a daughter of my grandfathers sister, Shiena, tells me that Hugh come to England as a single man because the first mention of him was in the 1861 census when he was a boarder at 107 South Street Carlisle at age 25 and a train driver even then. He listed as unmarried. He must have sent for JANET or gone up to Dornoch Firth to bring her down. Who is the mother of my Grandfather?? I do have post cards from JANET to her son, my grandfather, that said "Love Mum" This will need more investigation. Once again thanks for the help and look forward to what else you can find. Kindest Regards. Olaf 

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Re: Hugh RAE Domoch Firth Scotland
« Reply #5 on: Monday 07 February 11 08:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Olaf

Scottish first names can have a number of variants, where one or the other can be used at any time on different registrations.

In respect of Jane, common variants for this name are Jean, Janet or Jessie - see www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Jane.html which has a strong bias towards Scottish first names.

Likely from what Jim has found regarding the marriage date of 1861, Hugh only had one wife, Jane/Janet.

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Re: Hugh RAE Domoch Firth Scotland
« Reply #6 on: Monday 07 February 11 09:22 GMT (UK) »
Hello Monica,
My Grandmother was Janet and I have to say what you have come up with sounds like it could be the answer. It seems very strange that the two generations before mine did not speak about family or skeletons in the closet. With the devices we have at hand today we will uncover the past and learn the facts, it may take time but with loverly people like yourself taking the time to help others, thine will be done.
Kindest Regards Olaf

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Re: Hugh RAE Domoch Firth Scotland
« Reply #7 on: Monday 07 February 11 09:46 GMT (UK) »
...the first mention of him was in the 1861 census when he was a boarder at 107 South Street Carlisle at age 25 and a train driver...

I think Hugh may have already been down in England from at least 1851. Likely entry for him in Bedlington, Northumberland where he shows as aged 30, born Scotland and an engine builder by trade. He is down as unmarried and lodging in a Smith household (HO107, Piece 2418, Folio 330, Page 55. Birth year is a little earlier than you have on later censuses, so a question mark on this entry.

Not only do you have to watch out for first name variants, you also have to open your search on spellings of the surname! As Ana has already mentioned, Rae you are also likely to find as M(a)cRae/Rea. In this 1851 census entry it shows as McRea.

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Re: Hugh RAE Domoch Firth Scotland
« Reply #8 on: Monday 07 February 11 11:12 GMT (UK) »
You need to get their marriage cert. to progress any further.
What was your source for his birthplace (Dornock)?

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Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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