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Horafield Street Middlesbrough
« on: Sunday 06 February 11 15:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I started off doing a friend a favour trying to find background info about her family and found out we are related, so now I want to know about Horafield Street . I believe it was in the St Johns area. I can't find it on a map. in 1891 John Cooper Brass was an engine driver, so if anyone can tell me more about life for an engine driver that would be fantastic.

Don't want much do I.

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Rosemary

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Re: Horafield Street Middlesbrough
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 February 11 16:29 GMT (UK) »
I think you may mean Horsefield St. Which runs behind St. John's Church and comes out onto North Ormesby Road, still there as far as I know.

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Re: Horafield Street Middlesbrough
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 February 11 16:41 GMT (UK) »




Hi Rosemary,

I would agree with James - it is written as Horsfield St. !  :)



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Re: Horafield Street Middlesbrough
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 06 February 11 20:26 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much


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Re: Horafield Street Middlesbrough
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 06 February 11 22:31 GMT (UK) »




Hi again Rosemary,


Regarding your query about John being an Engine Driver, he may have been employed to drive a type of railway engine, but I think it's just as likely he was employed to operate a piece of machinery.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bpu/

Stationery Engine Driver : A person who operates a steam engine which is used for pumping water, or operates sewage, or driving machinery in an industrial environment such as a factory, mill or mine.

Factory Engine Driver : A person who drives a factory engine that takes the wagons to and from the factory to the sidings on the main lines for collection.

What occupation did he hold on the other census returns - that might give you a clue ! :)


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Re: Horafield Street Middlesbrough
« Reply #5 on: Monday 07 February 11 19:22 GMT (UK) »




In reply to my own query, curiosity got the better of me. Railway Engine Driver in 1901 and a Fireman for the NE Railway in 1881.

I'll point this in the direction of someone who most likely won't have seen this thread !  :)

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Re: Horafield Street Middlesbrough
« Reply #6 on: Monday 07 February 11 19:45 GMT (UK) »
You wanted to know what the life of an engine driver was like. My father drove for the LNER and later BR from 1942 until his retirement in 1964. I worked in traincrew administration for most of my working life.
There were and are stringent eyesight and medical standards to be employed on the footplate. In the steam era you started as an engine cleaner, and progressed to cleaner passed for firing (available for spare firing turns) then fireman, then fireman passed for driving (spare driving turns) and finally driver. You had to be 5feet 2inches aged 16, 5feet 4inches at 18 and over, with 6/6 vision in each eye normal colour vision and medically fit, subject to periodic medical exams on promotion and at 5 yearly intervals, annual after age 60. Additionally you had to pass technical examinations for promotion, and when passed for driving had to be thoroughly conversant with the signals and speed restrictions etc, over any route you drove over. You were rostered round the clock, with a minimum of 12 hours rest between footplate turns and medical exams, 8 hours for non footplate turns except medicals. There were generally no baths or washing facilities at the depot so you came home dirty and washed at home. Meals were eaten on the footplate, egg and bacon often fried on the shovel! For the other members of the household there was the disruption of irregular shift work. Often the cry to small boys playing outside, "Remember, Dad's in bed" After 1948, one day off per fortnight, later a weekly day off. Enhanced payments for overtime and shift allowances, but basic pay £10 per week for a driver in 1955, and £15/1/- when Dad retired in Jan 1964. Small pension 3/9 per week from BR, and no sick pay. What else would you like to know before I run out of space/
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Re: Horafield Street Middlesbrough
« Reply #7 on: Monday 07 February 11 21:24 GMT (UK) »
Thank  you very much, I have been busy googling away trying so hard to find out about railway drivers and all along syou had answered my question thanks a million
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Re: Horafield Street Middlesbrough
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 08 February 11 21:18 GMT (UK) »
Hello
Can anyone tell me when the houses in Horsfield Middlesbrough were built and also when they were demolished. I have just "walked" the street with google and can't get a taste for the area as it is all industrial now. Was it all two up two down houses.

I have just done a list of the people living in the houses 1-14 taken from the 1881  census. I had intended to do more but Find my past website is down for maintenance.

Can anyone help again
Rosemary