George GOODMAN

[bgoodman]

Hi all, I checked out the Watford Directory today to confirm if Elizabeth (Betsy) Seabrook, sister of George Goodman, was living at 52 Hagden Lane, Watford, Hertfordshire in 1913. It appears that she was living there until 1920. From 1921-1926 there is a J.Seabrook living there. I presume that is one of Elizabeth's children, John born 1892. The information also confirmed that 52 Hagden Lane was also know as Sherwood Villa. That in turn confirms that both the newspaper articles, with reference to Elizabeth's missing nephew George, were referring to the same address. After 1926 it appears that the No 52 doesn't exist. Just wondering if it was demolished in its then form and perhaps another building re-erected in later years.

[[Ray]]

Hi

There is a terrace within which #52 currently exists.
In the stretch, on the lhs from Brightwell Road (#58 on corner) to the traffic lights.

I have a foto but sem to have mislaid your email address (Send me a pm with it in?)

It looks to me like it is "over 100 years old".

Ray

Coincidence? I was actually looking at a photograph (1965?) of 2x brothers of the same surname(family?) last evening at "The Guild of Sport".

[bgoodman]

Hi Ray, that sounds very interesting. I have sent you a PM with my email address. Thank you for your offer of help.

[bgoodman]

Hi all, I had a look yesterday at the Rose & Crown pub where Thomas Goodman lodged, with his brother John, before he went to NZ in 1873. These were brothers of my ancestor George Goodman born 1844. It is a lovely old pub, it is on the way to Harefield.

I also had a look at the house in Watford, where Elizabeth, (Betsy), lived from 1902 to 1920. She was the above lads sister, daughter of James Goodman, Blacksmith from Rickmansworth. I was surprised to see that it is just an ordinary terraced house. It must have been fashionable to name houses with such grand names. Sherwood Villa, also known as 52 Hagden Lane. Thank you Ray for pointing me in the right direction. it is a very long bending road and luckily the house is nearer the Vicarage Road section making it easier to locate.
I mentioned in another post that Elizabeth's son John was there until 1926, as per Peacock's Watford Directory. However, the librarian informs me that Kelly's directory is more accurate. John Seabrook only lived there until 1924. A new person, Mrs M. Buckoke appears to be living there from 1925 and for several years later. That confirmed to me that it was the same house as it stands today. Haven't found John after 1924 so far, although I have not really done much searching. I believe that he may have died in 1964 in Watford, aged 72, 4B, 376 FreeBMD.
I did look at Seabrooks in general and there appears to be quite a few living in Watford, right up until 1978, when the Kelly's directories seem to stop. Elizabeth had quite a few children who may also have settled in Watford.
I then tried 192.com and I found three of the 1978 addresses, still with Seabrook. However, I had hoped, (but in vain), to find one address in particular, as the person was there in 1925 and the family until 1978. The name was Fras G. in 1925 and changed to N.M. in 1978. Not sure what Fras stands for. Betsy's husband was George, therefore I was hoping to find a George or even a John. Not sure if these present Seabrooks will be related although I may write to them and see if anyone has any FH info.

[[Ray]]

You were in Whippendell road whilst I was having my gastroscopy 200 yards away!

We could both have had a "cup of tea" in the Rose&Crown (I needed it) afterwards


Talking about Whippendell Road,
I used to be in an "act" named "The Whippendells"
then [they} brought out a copycat act named "The Chippendales".
Fantastic memories . . . . .


Still looking for "Eastbury Cottages" for young Caz.
Stanmaptsone pointed out a map I hadn't seen before.

Cheers!

Ray

[bgoodman]

Hi Ray, thank you for your message. I was in Hagden Lane, near enough to Whippendell Road. Sorry to hear that you had to endure that gastroscope. We will have to put that cup of tea on hold for now. I hope everything turns out ok for you.
Maddie has, kindly, been turning out those Seabrook generations like wildfire for me. I will try and get my head around it all tomorrow. Having to work, especially long day shifts, can be so inconvenient sometimes, especially were FH is concerned, hee hee.

[bgoodman]

Hi all, I have written to four Seabrook families in Watford by SAE and I have included my email address. I had to pick four from what came up with 192.com although I had no real reason to choose these otherwise. Two families appear to live close to each other. At least three of the four have been in those houses as a Seabrook for some years. Fingers crossed for now. Good luck Jtas with your Ward family. We are both working Maddie hard lately. I am very greatful for her input and skill.

[bgoodman]

Hi folks, I received a reply from a Seabrook lady today who lives in Watford. My ancestor's sister Elizabeth (Betsy) Goodman married George Seabrook. Although it was good of the lady to reply she was unable to offer any information. She mentioned that she was named Seabrook by marriage only. She did not know of any earlier Seabrook history. I hadn't thought of that possibility. It was a shame that she didn't mention the name of her husband. It may have been useful to try and go backwards. Especially as Maddie has managed to, near enough, go up to present time with George and Elizabeth's descendants. Aw well, I will have to put my thinking cap back on again. In the meantime I await any further replies from the remaining three letters. This is my second time writing this I appear to have lost the first post. Does that happen to anyone else as I know it has happened to me before also.

[bgoodman]

Hi, I had a convict staring me in the face and I nearly didn't see him. Luckily Maddie spotted him and pointed me in the right direction. It was John Goodman born abt 1811, son of Thomas and Zylpah (Sophie) Goodman. He was an uncle of my ancestor George Goodman (b.1844). He was transported to Tasmania (Australia) in 1836, aged 25, on the ship Eden, just before Christmas. He was tried earlier 07/04/1936. He was noted as being single. He was transported for Larceny. He had previous history of offences, stealing 2 bushels of potatoes, for stealing fowl and for poaching. He was discharged by parliament in 1847. He may have settled in Tasmania after his discharge date.