George GOODMAN

[bgoodman]

Hi everyone, I feel that I am in a familiar place, stuck. Yes, stuck again. I was thinking about the name Zilpah and and how I thought it was an unusual name for the times. Zilpah Harding, just to remind all, was the wife of Thomas Goodman. Thomas was the father of James Goodman, Blacksmith, from Rickmansworth. James was the father of George, and other children. George born 1844 and was my great grandfather. At present I am looking again at all Goodmans in the hope of finding any connection to other Goodman families.
Perhaps I was wrong about the name Zilpah being unusual, although I have found it spelt with a y etc on some documents. Zilpah Goodman (nee Harding) died in 1832. On Free BMD I found a Zilpah Goodman who died in 1856 Ampthill and another who died in 1857 Ampthill, June quarter, 3b 235. There were a couple who died the next two years in Bradford and one in Newport Pagnell. I noticed that there was a will on National Archives for a Zilpah Goodman widow of Ampthill, Bedfordshire 31st July 1857. It got me thinking perhaps one of those  Zilpah ladies was named after Thomas's wife, although I am not able to find a a family connection. Incidentally,and probably not related but there was a James Goodman who died 1857, Ampthill, June quarter, also in 2b, 235. Does anyone out there know of any connection to the Thomas Goodman, who claimed to be born in Wiltshire, and the Ampthill Goodman folk???
The Zilpah who died in

[gilbertlouise]

I found something unusual this morning on ancestry, where it gives you hints about the person you are searching...it gave a record of a baptism for Harriet Goodman who married Mr Kibbles..it said her mother was Mary Goodman.

[bgoodman]

Hi, that is interesting as there is a public member tree on ancestry that mentions the marriage of Harriet and Thomas Kibbles. I was under the impression that Harriet born approx 1806, daughter to  Thomas and Zilpah, was the same person who married Thomas Kibbles. Harriet was married in approx 1826 and died approx 1858. James Goodman was one of her witnesses. I wonder why her mother was down as Mary especially if it is the same Harriet. It looks too much of a coincidence to be another. I vaguely remember there an illegitimate Goodman daughter born around that time. Not sure whether that caused some mix up with the names. Ancestry has made mistakes before. I have alerted them to a mistake with George Joesph's (junior) surname which was down as Dooman. I remember thinking that the Goodman lady, who had the illegitimate daughter, may have been a sister to Thomas. I suppose if Thomas was born in Wilts this lady may have been also. Wishful thinking I'm sure.

[gilbertlouise]

If this is the same Harriet, which appears to be so, apart from the mothers name, she was baptised about the age of ten. I will try and put info on here.

[gilbertlouise]

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Harriett




Name:
Harriett

Gender:
Female

Christening Date:
11 Aug 1816

Christening Place:
Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire, England

Mother's Name:
Mary Goodman
 

[Maddie]

Hi all

Just to clarify & prevent to much confusion Harriett was baptised 10th August 1806 Rickmansworth, parents Thomas & Zylpha Goodman. Not sure who the Harriett with mother Mary is at the moment but hopefully she will come to light.

Maddie

[gilbertlouise]

Thank you Maddie.

I wonder if she could be a cousin of Thomas who named her daughter Harriet too? There were so many families back then who named and re named the same names.

[bgoodman]

Hi, thank you also from me Maddie for clarifying the details about Harriett. I found my notes, copied from Microfilm, re the illegitimate Goodman births in Rickmansworth. I found Mary Goodman illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Goodman baptized in 1794, Feb 9th. The other one was in 1815, August 11th, Harriett illegitimate daughter of Mary Goodman. Thomas married Zylpah on 3rd of August 1795 aged 29 years. That would be one year after Mary Goodman was born to Elizabeth. I know that there were baptisms to a John and Elizabeth Goodman also around that time. However, if that Elizabeth was already Goodman that must have been her maiden name. I do not know the maiden name of Elizabeth who married John Goodman. It does suggest that there were Goodman families around Rickmansworth before Thomas (b.1766) and even before Goodman, (The Baker), family. The latter being the family of Maddie's uncle. I also do not know when Thomas came to Rickmansworth. If he came directly from Wiltshire or from another part of England.

[bgoodman]

Hi folks, not in UK at present but pleased to say the search for Thomas is still going on. It appears that there were quite a few Goodman families in Hertfordshire, some may not have stayed long. Perhaps passing farm workers. Complicates things nicely though, especially when the first names were the same also.