George GOODMAN

[1783caz]

hiya , maybe im wrong on the all saints then ...im not to hot on the church things ...
Ive looked up Geo ( informant) on the death certificate and he was Geo mount the workhouse master  ...

[bgoodman]

Hi, firstly a big thank you to Ray for making all those connections. I didn't think of neighbors at all as being witnesses. I was only thinking of family members or the wider family. I suppose in the past it was more common for neighbors to be seen as close family friends.
I was once again getting boggle eyed at the library today. I noticed that the parents of James Goodman, Thomas and Zilpah (nee Harding) married on the 3rd of August 1795, had witnesses William Collier and another name which I couldn't read. I think the first name was William. Having received the maiden name of Zilpah from Maddie I was intent on finding the marriage and baptisms. I found baptisms for their children Sarah, Mary, James, William, Harriett and another Sarah.
I also found on another cert that a Thomas Wilson widower married Francis Harding 26th of May 1805, with one of the witnesses being Thomas Goodman, the other looked like Agnes ?Corbert. Not sure if there is any connections there but it does look a bit likely.
Well done 1783caz on confirming that Union Workhouse name, it is difficult sometimes to be sure of the handwriting. That hasn't changed over the years then. Thank goodness we can use a keyboard now.

[jtas]

Hi Bgoodman,

The second witness is Willam Halsey and he is actually a witness at quite a few weddings that are recorded on the same two pages of the book. Probably he worked at the church, maybe a grave digger or the sexton or he was just a popular person that had to be invited to all the local weddings.

Did you also find that Thomas Goodman married again in 1833 to a Mary Pearsden.

Look forward to seeing you soon,

jackie.

[bgoodman]

Thank you Jtas for that info re the witness. I wasn't aware when Zelpha had died. Also I hadn't realised that Thomas remarried. Did Mary and Thomas have any children together?

[[Ray]]

Aha!   (or not)

I don't know that this will help, but here goes........

"Rickmansworth" in 1841.
Horn Hill/Shire Lane/Rickmansworth Lane all "Maple Cross"("GoldenCross"?)
Isaac Halsey is running the Dumb Bell Inn and just up the  road is St Paul's Church
( address now Rickmansworth Lane, Horn Hill, Chalfont St. Peter, SL9 0RG )
Pic here = http://www.chalfontstpeter-pc.gov.uk/religion.html
Isaac has a son William (too young?).

Jackie, would you confirm date / church / "conductor" of the WmHalsey witnessed marriage(s)?


Ta!

Ray

[1783caz]

hiya , its mary purserler thomas goodman married after zilphas death ...as far i i know they didnt have any kids together ...

[1783caz]

no more info to give ,but just wanted to say i finaly spent the day in rickmansworth yesterday and visited the three rivers museum ,not much in there to help me but saw 2 goodman names on a war thing and also 3 goodman names on the st marys church yard war memorial ... finished the day with a coke and gammon & chips in The White Bear pub ...George Goodman wasnt home on this occassion lol ... will be visiting again ...was hard to get my bearings on directions after so long of seeing everything in books ... but loved the area ...

[bgoodman]

Hi all, thank you Ray for that post re the places in the 1841 census. It does help by making it seem more real when you can place the ancestors and their neighbours to a specific location.
1783caz that it so good to hear that you went to the White Bear in Rickmansworth, walking in the ancestors footsteps. I'm afraid poor George is more disposed with, (at Chorleywood rd cem), than indisposed. For some reason I thought you knew the area quite well. I must say I have never noticed that church yard memorial. I must take a look sometime.
I did find the marriage on microfilm for Thomas Goodman (widower) to a Mary ?Pursler (Spinster), on the 13th of October 1832 at St Mary's parish Watford. Witnessess Henry Brown and Daniel ?Pafre. Couldn't quite make that one out. How do we know that it is the same Thomas. I didn't see any mention of Rickmansworth.
Waiting for ancestry to check out 1783caz's tree, l was informed that an email would be sent out to me (twice) as I have forgotten my password. In the meantime I went on the site at Watford library. I was able to view some of the public trees. One of the trees, Taylor family, have information about Thomas. It would appear that Thomas may have been married to Mary from Shrewsbury 1787, the old dog, before marrying Zelpah. True to form he doesn't appear to leave much time before marrying Mary Pursler when Zelpah dies. This tree lists all Thomas and Zelpah's children as follows,
Sarah 1796
Mary 1799
James 1801 (The Blacksmith)
William 1804
Harriet 1806
Sarah 1809
John 1812
George Hales Slooper Goodman (1814-1873)
Maria 1816
Robert 1819- 1877
Henry 1822
and parents of Zelpah, James Harding and Elizabeth long.

[bgoodman]

Hi all, I have looked at the 1841 census where Thomas Goodman, James's father, is living with Mary his wife in 1832. It actually says Mary was born in Shropshire, Shrewsbury. I estimate her birth date to be 1777. She may have moved to Watford where she married. Therefore it is a bit unlikely that Thomas had another Mary as a wife also from Shrewsbury in 1787, (with Zelpah sandwiched in between). Maybe not such an old dog after all, except that for an older guy he managed to find a nice young bride. This information re Mary 1787 marriage was listed on one of the public trees on ancestry. The census also confirms that Thomas was born in Rushall Wiltshire.