George GOODMAN

[1783caz]

hiya   ...i never knew it existed until i read about it on some website ... i find it easier to get into it by googling postal appointed services and a known website has its records ...i wouldnt know how to find it  otherwise ...makes me wonder what other stuff they have in there that isnt displayed ?

[bgoodman]

Hi, thank you for my inbox message and for your last post. I had a look on google also for information. There is a mention of the book that you were referring to and also that you need a sub to look further with ancestry. Not sure if it is an extra sub that the person is referring to or whether the list is all the info that they actually have. Some posts from other researchers suggest looking at the post office archives concerning postal workers. Although the person mentions that the information they found related to the position within the service rather than personal details about the employee. Others suggest looking at the London Gazette archives. I know that sometimes an appointment with the postal services can be published in newspapers listing whether the person won the position by a competition or by appointment. I found info on newspapers concerning my mum's ancestors this way. I had a look today at the Gazette archives 1922 (online), although I only found a mention of other Goodman names. There was a G. G Goodman but I didn't find any George J. Goodman. I agree there must be lots of stuff out there but I suppose it remains to be put on computer, probably by volunteers.

[bgoodman]

Hi all, I am delighted to say that there is a 37 marker match with 1783caz' brother. The backbone test is still not due until the 22nd of April. Apparently the backbone test tells of the paternal line's deeper history and traces back to ancient times. It determines which major branch of the YDNA test the paternal line belongs to.

[bgoodman]

Hi again just to add a bit more re the significance of the 37 marker test.
37/37 a perfect match shows that a common ancestor is shared between 1783caz's brother and my father. I found it all a bit confusing at first although from what I have understood ...
There is a 50% chance that the most recent common ancestor lived no longer than 2 generations, (25-30 years per generation). Most recent generation of a male's paternal heritage.
90% chance that the most recent ancestor lived no longer than 5 generations.
95% chance no longer than 7 generations.
I know that you can do further marker tests although not sure which would be the most beneficial.

[1783caz]

Im lost for words lol ....

and a perfect match !!! ...i must admit i dont quite understand all percentage with the generation bit /years not sure what thats indicating as such .... where abouts the common or most recent ancester is in my tree ?

strengthens my theory on the goodmans in ricky lol ....

[jtas]

Congratulations to both of you, now can Caz confirm what information she actually has on George Goodman (senior) so you can work out what relationship there is between the two families. Has anyone found his baptism yet, i will keep looking on find my past.

Regards,

Jackie

[bgoodman]

Thank you for your input Jtas and 1783caz. Thanks also Jtas for your offer to look up baptisms that is really appreciated. I have left you a message in your inbox. I wonder why the DNA is only 95% rather than 100%, re the 7 generations part. Is the 5% the margin of error and is it significant. The blacksmith James had quite a few children giving him grand children who married and so on. My dad was in his eighties when I did his DNA test. With the generation thing 1783caz and providing George is the 1844 George, who would have been his first cousins.
Also could the same family (the blacksmith) had two George Goodman births, one in 1844 and one in approx 1848 (not registered). On the other hand could George be the son of an older child of the blacksmith. Sorry to be pessimistic but I still cannot get my head around the precise age given at George's army entry which matched perfectly the age given at death. I know that the census with the bear pub and the 1881 census didn't match an 1844 birth or an 1848 birth. I realize also that our ancestors were not always sure of their exact ages etc but it seems a bit strange to lose 4 years. I would imagine it would be more usual to lie about being younger not older. Still, for all that I really am delighted that there is a link.
I mentioned before that George Joseph's (junior) birth cert had father's name as George Joseph also. I wonder, if it would be worth my getting George's 1844 birth cert just to establish if the middle name was added. However it may have been just a typed error on George Junior's birth cert after all. I take it you 1783caz or another member of your family haven't already got the birth cert of George 1844.

[Maddie]

Oh WOW, I am so pleased for you, I have to admit I don't understand all the jargon concerning the test but there doesn't seem to be any doubt that your George is the son of the blacksmith James

I don't think you need worry about his age discrepancies as they seem to happen all the time in my family.

Still haven't found his baptism so may be he never was.

Good luck to you & caz, you can have lots of fun comparing ancestors now & if you want any help just shout, between myself & Jackie I'm sure we can help....

Maddie

[bgoodman]

Thank you Maddie I was really pleased to see the 37 match come up too. I am beginning to see now that you are right, the age discrepancies may not be all that important after all. I have had experience, as you know, that even the printed certs can be wrong. Especially when you think of how I would have discredited the death of Catherine (Mary Katherine) as the cert had her mother's mother's name as Catherine instead of Mary etc. Luckily other factors existed to prove she had to be one and the same. That was of course all down to Jtas pressing on with that one. Equally, with my mother's ancestors there was a different spelling of a surname etc.
Not sure what further upgrade of the 37 test would prove. Whether also if it would be worth trying to test another Goodman branch from Rickmansworth. Should there be any direct lines living today of course. I know 1783caz mentioned this to you before re your Goodman connection and if I remember you said your connection was just by a member of your family marrying into Goodman.