George GOODMAN

[bgoodman]

Hi 1783Caz and Maddie and thank you for your comments. I also got the same info as you re the passenger routes and I got the impression that they did stop in Ireland. Not sure about the 1923 Caronia that I mentioned previously though, as it may have been more like a cruise ship opposed to a ferry. I did find a much earlier Liverpool England Queenstown Ireland 10Th July 1871. George Goodman aged 22 years, (? George senior) Ship Algeria. Haven't kept exact reference although got the impression there wasn't any detailed info available about that George. My George (senior) already joined the army in May 1871 aged 22 years. Not sure if the military traveled back and forth on those ships also.
With the rate book for No. 30 William Street Cashew I wondered if it was actually Mary or Margaret again could be a mix up of names. Also I guess it was not unusual for family members (daughters and sons) to support their parents even though the off spring were married themselves. Maybe Mary paid the rates as her mother may not have had any other financial support and in turn the mother helped her with children. Perhaps Margaret the mother died herself by the time Mary returned to Ireland and therefore could not work and look after all the children. She seemed to take the Rotunda exam quite soon after the death of her child, if that is indeed her child (Catherine). She would of course have had to apply in advance to sit for that exam, (before disaster struck once again), I would imagine. I just hope my cousin can keep trying to unearth more records re Mary's application for the exam and any other personal info.

[bgoodman]

Hi, once again while waiting for that miracle I am now looking at Goodman generally. Also, I am wondering again about the possibility of George (senior) being illegitimate. On the other hand if James, his father, did exist he could have been deceased early in George's life, detail which wouldn't have to be apparent on George's marriage cert in 1875. My grandfather Hubert referred to his father as being George on his marriage cert even though Hubert didn't have a father since he was about 7 years of age. Therefore, I wonder re the census how many woman as either head of household or living within a household, or indeed remarried, in the Rickmansworth area have a son George with them from 1851 onwards. Also, was there a death of a James who could be George's father from 1848 onwards. With that George b.1848 in Wargrave, Wokingham it appears he did have a father James who died later in 1848. Wargrave George's mother was Elizabeth!. That one will always niggle me. Looking at general settlement info I found an Elizabeth who appears to have come into the area alas from St Albans.  Although with the little info displayed about the settlement it doesn't say where her son was born or his name. Does anyone claim ownership of this ancestor by the way?

[bgoodman]

The date 1808 is far too early for my 1848 George unfortunately. I found this info re the Wargrave family and I will post it as it may tie in with some rootschat Goodman ancestors. Unsure about the reference of this info, I just probably put WITHERS in a search engine. James and Elizabeth are at the bottom of the sheet. I have their son's birth cert although didn't go as far as trying to find the marriage cert. However there is a lady in New Zealand who probably has even more info re this family. Had to retype the info as too big to post direct.
Berkshire Contents
1614-1950 Berkshire burial index

1618-1834 IGI marriages of WITHERS in Berks                                                       page 4
1640 in Chieveley, Berks., 1773 in Lambourn/Great Shefford                                 page 4
1675 Little Coxwell                                                                                                  page 8
1682-1778 Welford, 1808 Lambourn                                                                       page 9
c1693 East Garston                                                                                                      "
1694-1702 Hatford, Berks                                                                   
1721-1812 Great Coxwell, Berkshire                                                                            "
1750-1800 PCC (Probate court of Canterbury?)
c1750 Frances WITHERS d1759 m c1750 at East Garston John MAB ?
1763 Inkpen, Berks.
1781 Inkpen, Berks.
1791 Enborne                                                                                                              page 9
1797-present Thatcham, Berkshire (6 to Australia in 1823)                                         page 10
1825 John WITHERS, late of Greenham, near Newbury, Berks                                     page 15
1841 census m LOVELESS                                                                                                   "
1851 census                                                                                                                        "
1863-75 Newbury                                                                                                         page 16
1865-1941 Reading                                                                                                           "
1881 census: c1819Windsor,c1840Newbury,c1858Bucklebury,c1868Reading                  "             
1800s Elizabeth WITHERS (Whistley Berks) m 1800s James Goodman                         page 17

[1783caz]

hi this may of already been seen ....
Theres a boy George Goodman ( or down as George Dooman ) in 1891 census hes living with other children ...im not sure if its the school as theres a girl called "catherine sullivan " whos 12yrs old (born:Grcenwich) and classed as the head !   ....
As he was originaly down as George Dooman i wonder if the person who had his name corrected on ancestry (margaret robinson ) knows anything on him ?

there as another little boy George Goodman i found other day who spent a brief time in Rickmansworth ...the family only stayed for about 4yrs and moved to Camden .But i think they were from Bedfordshire .

[jtas]

Hi Caz

I have just checked the 1891 census and catherine sullivan is 42years old and is the head mistress of the boys school/home. It would be interesting to contact Margaret Robinson as she could have that vital clue we are hunting for. I dont have access to ancestry but i know that maddie does,or if you do perhaps you could contact her and see if there is any new information that be had.

Regards

jackie

[Maddie]

Hi all

As we know the George "Dooman" on anc is bg's George I'll be happy to contact the person who has corrected the census unless caz wants to, just let me know. I did check to see if the lady in question has a tree on anc but I can't find one.

The problem with looking at all Goodman's is I fear, going to confuse rather than help. Unfortunately it is a very common name, as I just happened to have confirmation of only this weekend. I've been helping my cousin's wife to track her Grandmother & guess what, her name was Jane Goodman...... I almost cried, at least I know they are no connection to the Ricky Goodman's as the family are all from the Hackney area.

We do have a James Goodman dying in 1878, presumably in Watford Workhouse as that's where he was in 1871 but he is James the Blacksmith.

Maddie

[1783caz]

morning ...i left margaret robinson a message last night ...and shes got back to me ....

"Sorry Carol, I think I was looking for other Goodmans, and corrected the mistake because I saw it - can't bear to see mistakes left! "

shame ...

[Maddie]

Thanks caz, I had a feeling that would be the case.

Funny thing, I found a George Goodman working for the LNWR last night but it was late so need to do more investigation on him.

Will report back if I find anything.

Maddie

[bgoodman]

Thank you folks, you are all really kind and I do appreciate your efforts in trying to help me. What a bummer that Ms Robinson didn't have some mind blowing info to offer. It was worth a try though and thank you for that 1783Caz. I see what you mean Maddie re other Goodman families, amazing about your cousin. On the 1911 Irish Census, Mary Goodman and my grand father Hubert, there is some scribbling out re the number of children born alive although I came to the conclusion that there was five. I, as you know, eventually found all their birth certs. However, I wonder if Mary had a child born dead/ premature also. I found a Watford reg birth entry for a Margaret born 1881 Dec 3a  and a death cert for a Margaret Goodman Dec 1881 3a 270. Mary had George (junior) on 4th of July 1881. I suppose it is possible for her to get pregnant and miscarry a child prematurely.