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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #270 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 22:23 BST (UK) »
it could be possible that mary his wife as a catherine ...as i stated before about mary k the daughter could be mary catherine rather than Katherine ...as i think ray said many people didnt know how to count or spell properly in them days ...so some things could be a bit out ...but this news is excellent ...although i dont think is connected to my goodmans i keep following it cos its so interesting ....i love a challenge as well so love to try and help ...i know b goodman said before not to feel sorry but to think i had everything there all for my research mapped out and you lot all dived in and knew straight away and pointed me there and easy for me  to catch onto ...this has been a very big task for b goodman and a very long task as well .thats why im still here as i want to help ...im finding it hard with the brick walls bgoodmans had to face ...and im excited something new has come up...keep up the good work b goodman !!! youve got all us behind you :) 

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« Reply #271 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 22:41 BST (UK) »
Hi caz

Hang on in there because I feel it's quite significant that you can't find your George born 1844 to James the Blacksmith & we have this other George floating around Batchworth, who states twice on record that he was born Ricky, albeit of a slightly different age. :-\

One day the true facts will emerge. :)

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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #272 on: Thursday 25 October 12 00:13 BST (UK) »
maddie i know ...id love to be a relative after all this weve been looking into lol ... ive even shoeboxed some i found but think i might turn it some where else or be not significant .....i found a little george born in about 1881 he was born in ricky but lived his life from about 7yrs in another town well away from watford ... cant remeber if there was another son called george that was meant to if exisisted ith b goodman  ? The birth date prob wouldnt of fitted anyhow ... just checking .
my brain is getting scrambled with all this i should write it all dow nbut been working from memory ... :(

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« Reply #273 on: Thursday 25 October 12 18:06 BST (UK) »
Thank you all so much it is so good to have your support and the fat lady hasn't sang yet! To recap;George (Joseph) Goodman Born: *? 1848 Rickmansworth
                 Died:      1888 Batchworth Rickmansworth

1871 George enlisted in the 34th foot (Cumberland) regiment on 10th of May at Westminster aged 22 years and 8 months. It states born in Rickmansworth, 5TH 4ins.

1875 He married Mary McCarthy R/C in Clonmel Ireland. He spent most of his army career in Ireland. His name is written as Joseph on the chapel entry, his father James.

1877 George was discharged from the army, however he was not due a pension therefore his records were destroyed.

1879 His first child Mary Katherine was born at Batchworth Rickmansworth. He was a general labourer.

1881 Census he was living at Bury Farm Cottage with his wife and daughter as an agricultural labourer again it states born in Rickmansworth.

1881 July his son George Joseph was born father’s name also given as George Joseph living at Batchworth Rickmansworth.

1883 His second son Hubert (my grandfather) was born living at Bury Farm Rickmansworth.

1884 Second daughter Theresa Gertrude was born living at Bury farm Rickmansworth

1884 No. 30 William Street Cashel Ireland Mary Carty (?McCarthy/Goodman) started paying rates. Mary (nee McCarthy) mother was named Margaret.

1886 A third daughter Margaret Phillis was born living at Bury farm Rickmansworth

1888 On March 18th George died of Fibroid Phthisis with Elizabeth Winfield in attendance at Bury Farm Rickmansworth. He was aged 39 years. Buried at Chorleywood Road Cemetery Rickmansworth.

1888 May 25TH Margaret Phillis died with convulsions aged 2 years at Batchworth when her mother Mary was present. Margaret Phillis is buried in the same cemetery, in another grave, also buried by Rickmansworth Union Burial Board.

1888 September 19th Theresa Gertrude died from Arthritis aged 4 years in Cashel No 30 Williams Street with her grandmother Margaret Carthy (McCarthy) present. She is interned in the Rock of Cashel. Theresa described as the daughter of a housekeeper.

1891 Census ?George (Junior) is living at 58 Queens Road Watford in St Vincent’s R/C home for boys.

1891 Census ?Mary Katherine (Catherine) is living at 64 Queen’s Road Watford at an R/C School.

1894 Death 16th Feb ?Mary Katherine (Catherine) died at St Vincent’s Convent Percy Road Watford. Buried at Vicarage Road Cemetery Watford.

1894 March 14th Mary Goodman (nee McCarthy) took an exam at The Rotunda Hospital Dublin for Midwifery. She enrolled on the register in 1904.

1901 Hubert her son enlisted at Clonmel for the Leinster Regiment.

1905 Rate book showing Mary Goodman living at 23 Dillon Street Clonmel.

1911 Census Mary is listed as a Private Midwife and her son Hubert is working as a Barman. He was in the army reserves at this time.


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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #274 on: Thursday 25 October 12 19:47 BST (UK) »
hi everyone

Wow bgoodman what a posting, it is good to see it all in order, what was interesting to see was that Mary was absent for George`s death but was back in Rickmansworth soon after when her Daughter died. The big question is why did she take Hubert to Ireland and yet left the other two behind. Maybe financial she couldnt afford to take them all and as he would have been the youngest , that why he went with her. Have you tried looking at passenger lists (if they exist) from Liverpool or Holyhead in wales, to see when and how many times she went back and forth to Ireland and also who travelled with her.

Keep up the good work.

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« Reply #275 on: Thursday 25 October 12 21:23 BST (UK) »
how aweful she lost all 3 daughters and her husband in a short space of time ... i think there was only 2 boys left then ? George and Hubert and Hubert in Ireland .... would mary be McCarty ? or is she deffo McCarthy ?

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« Reply #276 on: Friday 26 October 12 10:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you both for your replies. I see what you mean jtas about Mary not being present for George's death while being present for her daughter's in May. She doesn't appear to be present either for her other daughter who died later in Sept, in Ireland, of that year. I find it hard to take in myself that Mary lost three of her immediate family in the year 1888. I did try looking generally at passenger lists before but didn't really come up with anything much. I must admit I wasn't sure what passenger ferry and what route to look up.
With Mary's off spring I did find a George Goodman on The Caronia, in June 24th 1923 (?junior). This person was born in 1881 aged 42 years.  Liverpool England port to New York. I did discount it as my George (junior) would be only be 41 years as his birthday was not until the 4th July. It didn't give info as to where he was born. He was there again doing that crossing in July and August. I think he may have been working on the ship as a hairdresser. Unrelated, (but sometimes occupations are repeated in families), my dear departed dad was a barber and his sister trained to be a midwife at the rotunda but she dropped out. Mary Goodman (McCarthy) may not have been alive then. She is supposed to have died in the county home (mainly for poor people) in 1933.
Re her maiden name her family may have put the Mc in front of the name I am not sure about that. Equally the person writing down the name may have used the easier pronunciation. I believe that was common when Irish folk had to pronounce names that were not strictly of Irish origin. For instance my Dodgson ancestors, in Ireland on one census were referred to as Dobson! In the past when some of my older relatives from the countryside were alive I have actually heard them refer to that family as Dobson.

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« Reply #277 on: Friday 26 October 12 13:05 BST (UK) »
Hi all

Had a day of visitors yesterday so missed these last posts. :o

Many thanks from me too for the time line bg, it does throw up some questions. ???

How & why did Mary start to pay rates in 1884 at 30 Windmill Street. Would she have had to be in Ireland at the time. !! I wonder if she had taken a newly born Theresa G back there to live with her mother.!!

It is a pity there aren't any passenger lists between UK & Ireland, at least, I don't think there were any kept. I'm wondering if Mary returned to Ireland in 1888 after George & daughter Margaret died, but why would she leave George & Catherine behind in Watford. :-\

Going back to look at it all again. :'(

Maddie



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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #278 on: Friday 26 October 12 16:38 BST (UK) »
i tried looking for passenger lists last night but kept getting everything coming from the USA to liverpool or southampton ...not sure if it stopped in ireland on its way ?....