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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #261 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 10:38 BST (UK) »
Hi all and thank you for your replies which I was very pleased to get. You are a busy lot indeed. I rang HALS again today as it seems the info on the site doesn't quite match with what they actually have under DP/1/50 1886-1925 for Rickmansworth. Catherine's death of 1894 should come under that year range. Therefore I am now getting conflicting info re whether Catherine is at the cemetery or not. The person that spoke with me did eventually acknowledge that this was not my error. She did say that they are very short staffed and would get back to me but didn't know whether it would be today or tomorrow. I explained to them that I had already looked at the microfilm at Watford re burials and it seems that their info is the very same as Waford Library. Unfortunately not very complete records. Which having checked that out by looking, with great difficulty, on their site I must agree. Under the website for the Watford Parish Archives DP11/1/25 1890-1892 Vol 1. there is the following info " Most of the volume unused. Pencil entries of year surname only continue until 1894. Note from 1892 the register of burials was kept by the clerk of the burial board". I searched again and found Parish Council info under CP124/1/1 although this relates to Dec 1894-April 1898. Catherine died in Feb 1894 before this. Even if I were to go down the Watford route this would be difficult. Not sure if I mentioned before that there was a Catherine Goodman on the 1891 census born in Ireland aged 9 years at the time, which would be the same age as this Catherine. She was resident at Falmouth Cornwall. Her father was Samuel, lucky for me. Strangely enough her brother George was born in Clonmel in 1889. Not sure if they were from a military family also as Clonmel was a garrison town with lots of regiments and their families residing there at one time or another. Lucky for me the brother would also be too young otherwise things could get very complicated. I had a feeling that that family were not Catholic as I think their relative was Archibald buried in the Church of Ireland, St Mary's Clonmel. I did also e-mail the manager of Watford Vicerage Road Cemetery re Catherine not sure if she will just send me back to HALS.

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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #262 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 11:14 BST (UK) »
Hi

Ray, the thought also struck me that W Goodman could be JV's brother. no way of knowing for sure though. As John V Goodman was in the 16th bt KRRC I have a feeling he would most likely have been part of the Church Lads Brigade, working for John Dickinsons & would have joined up with my Grt Uncle Jack  They both lived in New Road.

Bg, hopefully the manager of Vicarage Road will be able to help without referring you back to HALS. :)

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« Reply #263 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 11:59 BST (UK) »
morning ..im sure i saw a W goodman in the military records on ancestry other night that could fit that incomplete W Goodman on the memorial ...i have a look now and see if i can find it again .

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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #264 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 13:39 BST (UK) »
i think could be the missing W on the war memorial ...

Name:    William Goodman
Birth Place:    Croxley, Herts
Death Date:    16 Oct 1916
Death Location:    France & Flanders
Enlistment Location:    Watford, Herts
Rank:    Sergeant
Regiment:    Norfolk Regiment
Battalion:    7th Battalion
Number:    12214
Type of Casualty:    Killed in action
Theatre of War:    Western European Theatre
Comments:    M.M.


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« Reply #265 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 16:31 BST (UK) »
Glad to see that you are all keeping up the good work. Sorry to put a spanner in the works re my stuff. I received this prompt reply amazing!

"Thank you for your enquiry, these are the details I have found from my records:
 
Catherine Goodman aged 14 years, Daughter of George Goodman (deceased) formerly of Rickmansworth, a farm labourer and Catherine his wife.  Died Convent of Saint Vincent, Percy Road, Watford.  Interred 19th February 1894 in grave number 215 K-Dedicated in Vicarage Road Cemetery.
 
The grave is an old 'Paupers/common' grave and therefore would not have a memorial marker on it.
 
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you require any further information."

I am beginning to wonder about everything now. It seems that there were more Catholic families in Rickmansworth than I first thought. This family may have been related to my ancestors.

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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #266 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 18:51 BST (UK) »
wow excellent !!! :) .....so  wife is named catherine here ...

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« Reply #267 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 20:19 BST (UK) »
Hi

I'm very impressed with Vicarage Road & that rapid responce, makes a very refreshing change.

I am absolutely certain that it is your Catherine despite the fact that they have the wrong name for her mother. Was she possibly Mary Katherine too. Your George was the only farm lab in Ricky at that relevant time.

It's possible that whom ever gave the information for the burial was mistaken with the names. It doesn't appear that Mary herself was still in England as she can't be found on the 1891 census. :-\

Please don't disregard this burial info, mistakes were made in many records.!!

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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #268 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 20:33 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone

Just a thought  regarding Catherine, if Mary had left George before he had died, he may have got himself another woman, or Elizabeth that reported his death may have not known Mary,and it may have been her that had the two children put into the care of the nuns. Or Mary was known as Catherine.

There must be some sort of admission and discharge books for these two children homes, they could hold the clue as to why the two children were put into the care of the nuns.

bye for now

Jackie

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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #269 on: Wednesday 24 October 12 20:46 BST (UK) »
Hi

I do agree with you Jackie with regard to why George & Catherine were in the care of the nuns but I think bg has tried to discover this info before, without success, or did I dream that. :)

There has been a fair bit of name changes in this family me thinks, George was Joseph on his marriage....... :o

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