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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #162 on: Friday 21 September 12 22:26 BST (UK) »
Maddie I would love to have the Blacksmith James as my Great great grand father and part of me holds out a tiny strand of hope still. However, with both the enlistment details and the death details matching so well it is difficult to hold on to such a hope. Just to remind you George enlisted in the 34th foot (Cumberland) Regiment on 10th May at Westminster aged 22 years and 8 months. The eight months I must admit was a ditto. It states born in Rickmansworth, 5ft 4ins height. Other than that there is no  further personal details of his that has actually survived. I have his record re where he went during his army career and when he was discharged from the army in 1877, without a pension. His death age 39 matches perfectly also, if he were born later in the year 1848. The 1881 census on the other hand does not match exactly whereas it does confirm born in Rickmansworth. The burial place in Rickmansworth, Chorleywood Road Cemetery, for George and his daughter Margaret Phyllis are in separate places of unconsecrated ground. Not sure if it was because it was a government funded (burial board) type of burial, or whether even George (senior) was also not considered worthy. This may be because he was not C/E in the first place or because he may have converted to catholic or even the very fact that he married a catholic. I suppose it could also be that he was just from the poorer classes therefore didn't warrant a consecrated burial ground. I had a look again at familysearch.org and I must say they have tried to simplify searching. The George that I was looking at was christened in Elstley Cambridge with father James and Sarah mother. The 1844 George would have been too old I can see that now, even if they did wait a few years before christening the child. Well putting that George aside does anyone know what happened to the George born in Wargrave in 1848 father James (who I believe died later in 1848 leaving a will), and mother Elizabeth nee Withers.

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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #163 on: Saturday 22 September 12 00:37 BST (UK) »
Hi

George was very precise with his age on enlistment then, sorry, I'm not sure I understand how the 8 months was a ditto, what was written above. ???

If he was 22 years & 8 months in 1871, (incidentally he should be in the 1871 census but I'm blowed if I can find him) then he should have been born Sept/Oct 1848 so registered in either Sept or Dec qtr. There are 3, one in Poplar, one in Billesdon Leic & one in Ampthill Beds.

At least we know that the males of the family were not very tall. :)

I'm afraid I can't find the George born in Wargrave on the census with a mother Elizabeth, although I did see his birth on Free BMD, have you found him in any census that could give me a clue.

Fingers crossed that obit for Catherine might mention other family names to help us because we sure need it. ::)

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« Reply #164 on: Saturday 22 September 12 05:21 BST (UK) »
b.goodman has what holds me is the war enlistment in westminster  ...its shame im not a time lord as my great grandmother comes from limerick ......

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Re: George GOODMAN 1783 caz agreez slightly ....i feel right track but wrong !
« Reply #165 on: Saturday 22 September 12 05:29 BST (UK) »
i said this question yonks ago ? but not matter ...


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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #166 on: Saturday 22 September 12 10:18 BST (UK) »
Hi, had another look at the 1871 army info of George number 1953. On the heading of the enlistment re age it does state years and months. I will try and post it for you to see. I believe that there is some connection with the Water Eaton, Bucks George and the Wargrave James, who was described in his will of 1848 as a gentleman. I did see on one of the census that there is also a connection with the Emerton family. I believe James did leave something in his will to, I think his nephew George aged 2. I believe there was a mention of books or something. I will look again at my notes. fourth time trying to post the attachment so hopefully it will not be too big this time.

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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #167 on: Saturday 22 September 12 10:22 BST (UK) »
10th May at Westminster 1871

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« Reply #168 on: Saturday 22 September 12 12:13 BST (UK) »
Crikey, there was a lot of them aged so many years & 8 months. :o

Well, he is definate about Ricky & being a laborer, can you give me any more info on the Water Eaton George & I'll try to follow him through.

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« Reply #169 on: Saturday 22 September 12 13:17 BST (UK) »
Checked out the Water Eaton George born c1848, 1871 he is living with his grandmother Elizabeth Emmerton right next door to his parents Thomas & Ann nee Emmerton (who married Newport Pagnell 1846) & other siblings.

He marries Emma Allen 1873 Newport P & shows in Water Eaton through all census till 1911.  We can knock him of the possibles. :)

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Re: George GOODMAN
« Reply #170 on: Saturday 22 September 12 22:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks for checking that out for me Maddie. With the age for enlistment I noticed after the eight it starts with six mths.  Before that there is just one 4mths. That sub district Fenny Stratford seems to have lots of Goodman people. John Goodman lived at no. 35, Sarah at 33, Joseph lived at 22,23 and Mary at 24. I did consider that Water Eaton guy before and other Goodmans between 1848-1850 but for one reason or another they seem to cancel out. I guess I am just going back over old ground. The Wargrave guy was the most likely until I found George's enlistment details re the probable birthday month and further reference to born in Ricky. Secondly, when I also found that the Wargrave James would have been of a higher class to my George. Then of course with the will linking Emerton that cancelled that out. James was married to Elizabeth Withers from Whistley, which doesn't appear to exist any more. I did write to and e-mail a lady once who is living in New Zealand re the Withers side. That was when I believed that I had a connection there. I noticed that there is also a will for a Francis Goodman, Farmer of Berkhamstead, Herts, 1849. Haven't seen any census reference to Berkhamstead before.