George GOODMAN

[1783caz]

take with a pinch of salt but
im actualy looking at someone elses tree and they have a thomas gristwood born 1787 ..mother "Martha Hawes"(1755)  (they have martha down as a 1st wife to our William gristwood (1762 ) )
Martha HAWES  – Kids with william Gristwood
    Prudence Gristwood 1783 –
    Charlotte Gristwood 1785 –
    Thomas Gristwood 1787 –
    John Gristwood 1790 –
    Molly Gristwood 1794 –
    Samuel Gristwood 1797 –  

1841 census has Thomas Gristwood 54yrs (1787 ) with a wife Lucy 58yrs(1783) and Son Henry 20yrs and daughter Jane 18yrs (abt 1823 )  .... obv the martha will need checking out properly as if it is correct then it would possibly mean they are a half blood to mine...but tis late and i now have to retire for the day  

[1783caz]

 just seen your message maddie ...so that must be the right lucy i have above ?

[1783caz]

do we know who eliza/ elizabeth winfield married ? as where i am looking  theres a pic of a woman with same name born in watford in 1861.

Also i knew i had seen her name ...and ive found it ...its on a very distant relatives tree this one was born in berkhamstead in 1877 and still resides there in 1891.

[bgoodman]

Hi, just to go back to the James Goodman, the blacksmith, again. His son George born 1844 age 7 years in the 1851 census. Has anyone managed to find a death for him. I also remember thinking that it was a bit strange that James and Sarah seemed to have all their children baptized at St Mary's Ricky, although their son George appears to be baptized elsewhere. I think I noticed that on familysearch.org.

[1783caz]

Hi there ...George Goodman 1844 is a bit of a mystery man ....ive even checked 5 ancestors  who have him on their tree and they have no death or even any kids for him either ? i cant even find where they had him baptized . Theres a George in watford who died in jul-Aug-Sep 1855 ?

[Maddie]

Hi all

Caz, Elizabeth Winfield was married, she was Elizabeth Rivett & married Thomas Winfield in 1882. In both the 91 & 01 census she is in Watford Workhouse.

With regard to George Goodman, son of James & Sarah, he wasn't the only son who's baptism doesn't show on Family Search, James & Sarah also had Thomas & Henry, who aren't there either. It's possible they were never baptised for one reason or another. I do agree that George is a mystery & also noticed that other trees don't have any info on him.

I know you have your doubts bg because of the age discrepency but I do feel that he is your George.  I can't find any other George born Ricky to a father James that fits & we have tried every thing to find him.

As to your George's religion at death, do you happen to know if the part of Chorleywood cemetery that he was buried in was set aside for non C of E burials. My own Great Grandparents & Grandparents are buried there albeit in the 1900's.

There is a description of Hubert on his army record, I wonder if he resembles any of caz's relations. Don't have it to hand at the mo but it's worth considering.............

I'll check it out just now.

Maddie

[jtas]

hi everyone,

Caz is it possible for you to post the picture of the women born in 1861 for us to see.

Bgoodman would you also put a copy of George death certificate on, so we can see if there is any further clues you havent spotted. Also is there any news on the obituary?

I am beginning to wonder if our Elizabeth (nee Rivett) is a relation of George, I did spotted that when thomas winfield was in lodgings in 1891 there is a George Goodman from Hemel and a Rivett man at the same place.
 
Maddie, on ancestry can you access people`s trees, it would be interesting to see if anyone has this Elizabeth and Thomas winfield and any other branches.

I also feel that George 1844 is our man, as the country folk didnt really keep a good record of when they were born and often change the location of their birth with each census.

Keep up the good work everyone, i am sure we will eventually crack the nut and knock down the brick wall.

Bye for now

Jackie

[Maddie]

Hi Jackie

Thank you for endorsing my feelings on George Goodman.

I saw the George Goodman with Thomas Winfield on the 1891, did a bit of digging & I think he is actually a GODMAN from Hemel, very confusing, however, I didn't spot the Rivett chap but he has to be a relative of Elizabeth's surely. Not had time to work out how yet.

Yes I can access trees & there are a couple for Rivett & more for Winfield, sadly none have any more info than what we already know.

Caz, Hubert was 5ft 3 & a quarter, fair complexion, blue eyes & fair to brown hair, recognise anything..........

Maddie

[1783caz]

hi there ...thanks for the info maddie ( i went right past her with thomas lol )  i had my teeth in it for several hours last night  on ancestry to find elizabeth as im a member ...but jackie is right you can access some peoples trees that are unlocked ...(mine is private but i dont mind sending an invite if  need be or any reason .) That is where i saw a picture of a Elizabeth winfield ...it isnt the one as she was married to a man with the name frog.... (shame as it was a very good read )    
  "coak /davies" she comes off our gristwoods and is on there .
There were 3 gristwood marraiges in our tree ... but i cant find a link ...
 what i was realy trying to find which child from Jane Gristwood had Elizebeth to try that avenue?
Theres a Gristwood Tree in there but its locked and i tried to contact the member to ask if they knew but they also have their settings so as they cant be contacted .grrrrrrr lol.        

Maddie huberts description i dont know what to say lol ...i know a lot of goodman relatives ive met lately ( ive never known anyone and im now in contact with my dads cousins etc ) i know they all have the brown /black hair sometimes blue or brown eyes ...but then im fair ...the height is about right for most of us ... i have got a copy of a photo i was sent of a goodman back in about 1900 ... it all realy depends what parent they take after most ...lol ....its a difficult one .

.....we WILL do this lol