George GOODMAN

[Maddie]

Hi

The Henry William Goodman baker was my Uncles first ancestor to live in Ricky, on the Goodman side. Henry W was born 1832 in Chesham Bois, he married 1859, in Latimer then moved to Ricky were the kids were born., William c1860, Henry c1862, Frederick c1864, Sarah c1865, Alfred c1867 & Catherine c1871.

I've been looking at the 1841 census & it would appear that most if not all the Goodman's born Ricky are part of Thomas & Zylpha's line.  There were other Goodman's in Ricky prior to 1800, they are listed in the Militia book but none of their descendants seem to have stayed in Ricky for the census although I haven't looked at Watford or surrounding villages.


In case it's of interest, they were, Daniel lived Batchworth, George lived Ricky Town, 2 John's, one a Bricklayer & one a labourer, lived Batcher & Town & Thomas lived Chorleywood & Croxley a servant.

1783caz, hope you enjoyed Whipsnade, haven't been there for years......

Maddie

[bgoodman]

Thanks for your replies Maddie and Caz. I found a list somewhere of non conformist Goodman folk. I think this excludes Roman Catholic. Elizabeth Jemima Goodman, Harriet Goodman and Alice Goodman all County Middlesex. These could be Baptists, Quakers Methodists and latterly Mormons. I know that way back in the East Riding of Yorkshire there were a lot of Goodman folk. Goodmanham was the main centre of pagan worship in the north of England. On WicklowNews.net there is an article whereby a John Goodman takes part in an archeological dig for what appears to be a pagan cross. He is a historian and is on the war memorial committee. No relation of mine as far as I know. This may be of some interest to someone though.

[[Ray]]

Hi

Just for notes

1881 same road (Woodcock Hill) as the pub GG(18) was boarding . . . . .

Henry Goodman, 44, b Batchworth
Lucy, 49,  b Batchworth
Wm G, 15(13?), b Woodcock Hill


Wm Goodman, 23, b Wendover
Sarah, 25, b Amersham,
Mary A, b Bourne End,
Eliz, 9mo, b Rickmansworth


Ray

[bgoodman]

Hi Ray thanks for that. You never know something may connect up at some point. On census RG12/1121 Schedule Number 30 Woodcock Hill,there is a Susannah Goodman, head, age 59 apparently born in Rickmansworth. Elizabeth ?Bristow, lodger. Also a daughter not sure if ?Annie L is Susannah's daughter or Elizabeth's daughter.
In the Irish census 1901 there is a John Winchester head who is a Presbyterian born in ?Scotland and among others living there is Lizzie Goodman Age 36 his niece, who is a Roman Catholic born in Co Cork. Surprisingly Susan Goodman who is his niece too and also born in Co.Cork but she is a Presbyterian. Not sure at present what part of Ireland the census is from as the details were cut to make the census copy smaller.

[bgoodman]

Hi Maddie I remember reading in one of the local papers, 1870s-1880s approx, about Lord Ebury taking cattle from Watford back to Rickmansworth. Apparently a cow became crazy and a Frederick Goodman helped to contain the animal. That was the first time I came across a Frederick. Not sure if that Frederick Goodman is any relation to your ancestor.
It is surprising how many Goodman people were living in Ireland around the 1800s. I was surprised to discover that quite a few were actually born there too. Of course this makes it harder for people to trace them due to the Irish poor record keeping. Some of the Christian names that you have mentioned appear to ring a vague bell. In the English census 1891 there is a George Goodman born 1889 in Clonmel Ireland. Noticed this, as Clonmel is where my ancestors lived post Rickmansworth and some are still living there. The head, his father's name is Samuel, there is a Catherine Edward and Jane residence Falmouth Cornwall. There is apparently an Archibold Goodman buried in St Mary's Protestant/Church of Ireland, Church in Clonmel, I think he may be connected with that family.

The guy who has agreed to be DNA swabbed is from Devon, as close as I could get to Cornwall and that part of England. He is not interested in doing his own family history although his people have lived in Devon for many years. Again some of his ancestor's names appear similar to yours. Henry Ernest b.1921 this guy's father and William Henry his grand father b. approx 1890s.

[bgoodman]

Hi 1783Caz I should have mentioned that I did have a rest from doing family history for some years as I got so stuck having had a good start initially. Of course family history lay always at the back of my mind and when I met another Rootschat member she got me started again. Not sure whether I should forgive her or praise her. However, when I restarted again I managed to get a bit further as internet etc made things easier The buzz of discovering something is as you know well worth the effort. So I mustn't let you feel too sorry for me. I am very pleased for you and look forward to your further discoveries.

[1783caz]

is it lord Elbury or Edbury or Ebury ? i keep seeing different names ...im slightly confused as one of our Goodmans "Elizabeth (born 1859 ) was a lady in waiting to Lady Elbury or Edbury or Ebury of moor park ...whilst her husband Thomas was a gardener for them ...
I also got told by someone the other week when i mentioned this George Goodman thread that they said it could be quite difficult to find records in ireland as a lot of them got burnt in the uprising ...
Have you managed to trace junior georges sisters ? Mary Katherine ?
Would it be possible that she removed her 1st name and used a "C" instead of a "K" for Catherine ? 
Goodman    Catherine    14    Watford    3a   386

[[Ray]]

Hiya

Ebury.
Moor Park, a very beautiful house.
I'll try later to post a pic of the ceiling, stunning.

"Some" Irish records burnt? - I believe so.

Is this a death reg? if so, year?
Goodman    Catherine    14    Watford    3a   386
(Answered it myself - 1894 Q1)

? 1891 RG12 1118  109 page5
(mis-transcribed as Godman?)
Catholic Girls School 64 Queens Road Watford
Catherine Goodman 10 Ireland


Birth Reg?
1879 Q3 Goodman Mary Katherine Watford 3a 447   

Ray

[bgoodman]

Yes I did try tracing junior George's sister Mary although I didn't look at Catherine from Watford. Mary K was born 1879 as I obtained that birth cert. Ancestry.com has her birth year rounded up as it may have also done with her father George Goodman, 1850 instead of 1848. I suppose as their mother was also called Mary she may have used her child's second name Katherine (Catherine). I did try looking at children's homes around Watford for the name Mary. I thought as the mother put one boy, junior George, into a home she may have put Mary k into a girls home also. However Mary could have died in Ireland and that would have been another matter as you know with the destroyed records. My cousin tried searching in Ireland but hasn't come up with anything. Luckily we found a little memorial card in my parents house for Teresa Gertrude, who is interred in the Rock of Cashel in 1888. She died with her grandmother Margaret McCarthy. Lets hope May K didn't die that same year also as Mary Goodman nee McCarthy lost her husband and another daughter Margaret Phillis that same year. As I mentioned before Margaret Phillis is buried at Chorleywood Road Cemetery Rickmansworth, in another plot although there is a Mr Fox buried there now.

The history of the (Grosvenor) Lord Ebury's family is very interesting and Rickmansworth's Museum had quite a lot about it at one stage. The last chap connected with the Moor Park family sold up to the Lever Brothers and went to live in Japan. I thought I saw a George Goodman living or working there not sure which census that was. I know that Lord Ebury supported protestantism and I know that some Goodman families were also non-conformist that is why I wondered about religious groups. He may or may not have been more sympathetic to mixed faith marriages etc. Mary and George could have kept Mary's R/C faith or both their beliefs secret. He use to ensure that his staff attended church at Northwood, where he is now buried. The Bury and its grounds were purchased by Lord Ebury in approx 1873/1874 and I presume that also included Bury Farm Cottage. I then presume he was my great grand father's employer/landlord as he was living there at the birth of his first child Mary K in 1879. Trying to get manorial records from the Grosvenor estate is another matter.
Wow re your Elizabeth working directly with the Ebury family it is great family history story to have. The family were apparently very supportive with the London children during the war and they invited children to the estate.