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« Reply #459 on: Wednesday 19 June 13 12:26 BST (UK) »
Hi

[ Just repeating part of a post on another thread - St Vincents ]

One of the links mentions RC chapels in Watford and a hand-drawn map of Watford C1870.
There is also a pic of Market St / Percy Road which is even more interesting
The church there was built 1889 (so George d1888 wouldn't have known that one)

http://www.holyroodrc.com/history/oldwatford.html

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« Reply #460 on: Wednesday 19 June 13 18:24 BST (UK) »
Hi, you are right Maddie there does appear to be a lot of our Rickmansworth ancestors buried in Chorleywood Road Cemetery. I guess it is the older cemetery in Rickmansworth. Perhaps also, only those of means were buried with expensive headstones in the churchyard. Goodman and Gristwood burials seem to feature a lot in Chorleywood Rd Cem. On the same page as James there is an Ann Goodman who appears to be born in Rickmansworth long before Thomas Goodman, James the Blacksmith's father, moved there. There is also a Gristwood at the top of the page.
Thank you also for your comment Ray. That map of Watford and information is great. Funnily enough, I have been looking at old Watford in general. Watford Library had some good photos upstairs on display showing some of the old alleyways etc. I believe one of Thomas and Zylpah's children, Robert, lived in one of those old Watford houses. Amazing how Watford has expanded.
With George and the R/C connection. I am unable to find any evidence, other than his burial, that he converted to Catholicism. Apparently at the time the priests in Ireland were not too strict on whether a person converted to Catholicism, prior to marrying a Catholic. Even with the burial ceremony by priest Hardy, that may have been his wife's decision to contact her priest. I remember looking up information about a secular priest Hardy visiting the area for Catholics. I think there was some kind of tin hut before Holy Rood was built.

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« Reply #461 on: Wednesday 19 June 13 20:50 BST (UK) »
Hi b

The map and the story show 2 RC chapels being in existence at the time holyrood was being built (1889)

A and B on that map.

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« Reply #462 on: Thursday 20 June 13 13:05 BST (UK) »
Hi, that is interesting re the two chapels. I know that there was the boys home, which you referred to, and a girls home which later appeared to become a college moving to Percy Road. I believe both started off at Queens Road, in different houses. I read somewhere that Watford R/C first worshipped in a small church, Paddock Road, New Bushey, (as it was then Called). It was served from Barnet. A mission was then opened in Water-lane. That old building still stands today, belonging to another denomination. I have walked past it several times. It seems to be a single storey building. A Mr S.T Holland then built the church at Market St. He was a convert from Anglican apparently. I had a look inside one of the church walls, some time back, and Father Hardy's name is on a wooden plaque as being one of the past priests. If it was the same Fr Hardy who buried George he may have stopped his roving ways and settled down to be a parish priest, instead of a secular one. I think the dates did appear to tally.
Ages ago I wrote to Michael Gandy who specialises in Catholic research in England. His quote..
"It sounds as though George Goodman is likely to have been of an ordinary Church of England (or perhaps Protestant nonconformist) family and only got involved with Roman Catholicism when he met Mary McCarthy. The rules about mixed marriages were not so strict then but if he converted then there will be a conditional baptism somewhere-probably in the parish registers of Clonmel shortly before marriage."
Unfortunately I was unable to locate any such documentation from Ireland therefore I presume the parish priest wasn't too bothered. I didn't have any luck with Westminster Archives either re George's children's baptisms in England therefore I laid that one to rest. Having found that other members of George's family have since been buried in consecrated ground I can now dismiss the protestant nonconformist idea also.
I have contacted Three Rivers Council today and hopefully will soon know exactly where James is buried in Chorleywood Road cemetery. I was informed that it will be just a patch of grass with no head stone. The grave was used after James by another unrelated person. It appears James, the Blacksmith, grave will be very similar to George, his son, sad really.


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« Reply #463 on: Tuesday 25 June 13 15:58 BST (UK) »
Hi all, I have found a Goodman marriage to Hale on ancestry, although it may not have any relevance re George Hale Sloper Goodman. He was a son of Thomas and Zylpah, a brother to James (the Blacksmith). I know that there is a marriage between Hale and Sloper families, cousins getting married. There is some connection with at least one of these names to Wiltshire. Thomas claimed to be born in Rushall Wiltshire before he came to Rickmansworth.

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« Reply #464 on: Tuesday 25 June 13 16:03 BST (UK) »
The details were Thomas Goodman married on April 4th, 1858, Northampton, England. It would be more relevant if it was years previously and perhaps displayed some connection to Wiltshire.

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« Reply #465 on: Wednesday 26 June 13 06:42 BST (UK) »
Hi b

The text doesn't say that he was born there only that, at the time of marriage, he/they lived there.

Had a look in 1851 for him and the only Goodman i could see locally was a Henry Goodman (a tailor) and family.

Watford Observer tell me that Jackie's article is due online tomorrow (Thursday).
I'll post the link when it is online.

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« Reply #466 on: Friday 28 June 13 22:29 BST (UK) »
Hi, yes you are right Ray. I had another look at that letter. Thanks for looking up the census for me. Aw well, the search goes on...
I hope to visit Wiltshire soon and I will try and go to the records office.

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« Reply #467 on: Saturday 29 June 13 19:30 BST (UK) »
Hi.

On the Northants marriage indexes it says.

Northampton All Saints
04-Apr 1858
Thomas   GOODMAN otp, [Mare Fair], bachelor, of full age, shoemaker, father John, parchment pricker to
Grace Eliza HALL otp, [Mare Fair], spinster, of full age, father James, shoemaker

I will check further.

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