George GOODMAN

[1783caz]

very interesting stuff .... ive racked my brains out with finding connections with rushall or anywhere local to rushall ...i do remember looking into the "Hale Sloper" name and did find a hale sloper down that way ... and thought he ( george) may of been named after a family friend or something ... keep up the good work im relying on you lol ...

[bgoodman]

Hi all, I am having some brain drain at present. I have called in on Watford Museum the other day as I have not heard from them re my request to see James's workhouse records. I realize that 1783caz has already been down that road but I just thought it may be worth a go. This visit I gave them a copy of James's death cert as it clearly says Watford Union House death. The lady mentioned that they are very busy at present and that they did have my first request and would deal with it when they could.
I also had a reply from the rootschatter regarding Hale Sloper and unfortunately she is unable to see any connection with Goodman. Took another trip up to Watford Library and left a message with my email address on one of the public trees. This was the Sadler family tree and he refers to Hale and Sloper from Rushall. It appears on one part of the tree that Hale marries Sloper and one of the off spring also marries a Sloper. Not sure if that is usual for that family or whether it is a a religious thing. I noticed that there were a large Quaker community around Rushall, way back. Which in turn made me wonder if both, or one, of Thomas's parents were Quakers originally. Bearing that in mind it would seem strange though why Thomas and Zylpah started putting Hale Sloper on one of their children and it wasn't even their first born. See what I mean about brain drain.

[1783caz]

yup ,its confusing without proper records to look at ...there is a Wiltshire website somewhere that has a list of names people are researching and you can enrol to ...i shall try and find it as there maybe something on there that might be relevent .

[bgoodman]

Hi all, thank you 1783caz for the Wiltshire info. I had a reply from Watford Museum. It maybe helpful for folks just to know what they actually keep. Not sure it would give any further information than what we already have.
"Unfortunately we only have four books of records for the workhouse - a register of births 1866-1933, two registers of deaths 1848-1858 and 1866-1911, and a punishment book 1914-1943.  I have managed to locate James Goodman in the register of death from 1866-1911 which states;
 
Year    Date                    Name                        Admitted From                    Buried
1878    December 31st    Goodman, James       Rickmansworth                    Rickmansworth"

[bgoodman]

Hi everyone, with James death cert, the actual cert states death 1877, 31st December, although it was registered in 1878. A huge thanks must go out to Maddie who has given me a contact of another ancestor of Thomas/James Goodman. This ancestor has been busy working on the Goodman family history for years also. She has noted all of your help and support with my own George Goodman search. I agree, and would once again like to say how really grateful I am for all your continuous help with George and Co. Great to have another living ancestor within the fold. That is of course no disrespect to my dead ancestors as I have grown very fond of them all. I will be away from tomorrow for about ten days and I am not sure what, if any, access I will have to a computer.

[bgoodman]

Hi all, I have received a reply from another lady who is also researching the same Thomas and James Goodman line. It does appear that we are all stuck in the same place. That is not knowing who Thomas from Rushall Wiltshire parents were. Thank you 1783caz for putting me in contact with her.

[bgoodman]

Hi all, I rang Hertford Archives regarding James's death in 1877, registered 1878. Watford Museum had suggested that I may get more information there. It appears that the records that HALS keep on the workhouse are not very conclusive nor do the records display many details concerning individuals. No burial info available and no plan of the workhouse buildings and ground. I wondered about a graveyard. It is a  bummer all round at the moment.

[bgoodman]

Hi all, at present I have been mainly concentrating on Thomas and trying to find out who his parents were. However, I was thinking about George born 1844 and how he didn't ever seem to be associating with other members of his family. Even other relatives such as the Hardings, Thackham, Gristwoods etc.
I know that there was a George and Joseph Goodman together at the petty sessions in 1881, drunk and disorderly at Sarratt. From what I remember there were also two Goodman guys who were messing about when there was a religious service on, not sure of the year. Not sure also if these were the same two. I know for sure that the latter two were from another person's tree.
I am avoiding going to HALS although I believe the Hertfordshire Mercury is kept there and the article may throw more light on who the former guys were.
I must also get around to ordering George's birth cert, although I do know what info is already on it, but it will be good to have a def record and to share.
I was looking at George's mother's death cert of which I kindly received a copy from one of Caz's contacts. Sarah died 11th April 1869 at Batchworth, Rickmansworth, aged 55 years from a fever. It stated wife of James Goodman, who was present at the death. It described him as a Blacksmith, Journeyman. I hadn't noticed the Journeyman bit before anywhere. Jtas has recently asked me if James was a Journeyman or if he had his own forge. Well that clears that up then.

[1783caz]

wow ...i never noticed "journeyman " either ....what is a journeyman though ?

im currently trying to find "GEORGE " (1862/3... my 2x great grandfather) the blacksmiths sons buriel location ...records say he died in ricky ...a family memeber has told me they know someone who works at cemetary hill cemetary in hemel and said hes buried in the same plot as his family memeber ...hes given me the plot number ...but i cant understand this as my grandfather and siblings lost contact with their paternal Goodman side from ricky when their father Joseph (1887-1917) didnt return from ww1 ...and they were to young to remember them ...I was thinking where ever George was buried maybe his dad the blacksmith might be ? would i need to order death certificate to find this info ?