George GOODMAN

[bgoodman]

Hi Jtas, thanks for your post. My brother Hubert is called after my grandfather Hubert. I tested the male YDNA as it remains almost the same down through the generations. I am therefore just looking at the male side to try and make it a bit easier to understand. I know what you mean though about the relationship with the female side, it exists also but not that true a test for DNA proving. Although as we know the result already now the relationship would be the same for 1783caz to the baby J. Goodman as it is with her brother 5th cousin. I am not even sure that i am working out that single male line correctly as yet. I feel as if i am desperately trying to make sense of it myself.Once that aspect is sorted maybe we can look at where everyone else including me and 1783caz relates to each other. If you or any other roots chatter wants to put it down a bit clearer I would be more than pleased.

[Maddie]

Hi

I have been trying to work out the relationship between yourself bg & caz, by using my own tree & the equivalent of my kin on the relationship calculator I think caz is your 3rd cousin once removed. I might be wrong but I tried.

Maddie

[bgoodman]

Hi, thank you for that Maddie. Saves me muddling through a chart i have discovered. There is a chart about kin referred to on Wikipedia. I haven't figured out yet how to use it though.

[bgoodman]

Hi all, I have sent an enquiry form into Watford Museum to try and view any James Goodman workhouse records that they may have. I mentioned James Goodman as i know he was an inmate in the workhouse in 1871.
I have also sent an email to Vicarage Road Cemetery to see if they have a record of his burial. I noticed that there is a James Goodman who died March quarter 1878 in Watford aged 78.

[1783caz]

Hi all , wow im glad BGoodman you can make sense of the line as it frys my brains lol ....
Just a quick one for now as got to unpack ...
I went to Watfor Museum last year to check out my James in the workhouse ...they got the only records out that they have preserved and we couldnt find our James in it ...they advised to get his death certificate to see exactly where he died as thye havent got his death in the workhouse ...i didnt get certificate as this was at the time of everything going mad on my tree and having info overload lol ...

[bgoodman]

Hi 1783Caz and welcome back. I hope that you enjoyed your break in Cornwall.
I wouldn't say that I make sense of everything just yet but I am working on it. Maddie has been a great help behind the scenes. I did confirm that the 1844 George is just George, not George Joseph. He is 100% James and Sarah Goodman's (nee Hansted) son. The registrar did ring me because I stipulated that the cert should state both christian names before considering to send it to me. He cancelled the order but said he would reissue it if I wanted it again.
I expect I may not do any better than you did with the museum. I vaguely remember, in other posts, you saying that you already went there. Now I am thinking that perhaps it would be better to order the death cert of James Goodman, aged 78, who died in Watford. This cert would give me his correct address. Also it may give an actual date to look up in newspapers. Mary Katherine (Catherine), my gran aunt was listed in a newspaper which Jtas found. The school information confirmed it was her. I was then able to use that info to look for the burial place.   

[jtas]

Hi B,goodman,

Just a quick thought, if george converted to being a catholic so he could marry mary , perhaps he had to take a catholic name hence that could be where Joseph comes in. It stands to reason that when he had his own son that the child was given the same name as was tradition in those times.
I hope you have some success with the death certificate, it will be interesting to see who reported the death, you never know it maybe george or mary, that would be a good one to connect them together.

Look forward to seeing you soon,

regards, Jackie.

[bgoodman]

Hi, thank you Jtas for your post. I did wonder about Joseph instead of George. Apparently Joseph is not predominantly a catholic name. Especially not so in that era as folk generally seemed more religious than now. The middle name could have been given at C/E baptism, confirmation etc. My cousin was unable to locate any catholic adult confirmation/convert. 1783Caz has also got Joseph in her James (Junior) line. Having reference to George on the cert for James would be something alright but alas i feel unlikely. I will take a trip up to the reg office for a form re the death. Sending it off is the cheapest option.

[bgoodman]

Hi all, I sent off for the death cert of James yesterday. James Goodman (the blacksmith) from Rickmansworth estimated birth 1801. I am almost sure that the 1878 Watford death is him. I had a look at the burials today at Watford Library. There is a James Goodman aged 78, Union House Watford (the abode), buried on Jan 4th 1878 ceremony by John Ricketts. Hopefully the death cert will mention his previous occupation as I believe there was another James around that time married to an Elizabeth. It doesn't say where 1878 James is buried but it is listed in the parish of Rickmansworth book. Perhaps he is in Chorleywood Road cemetery. I have just received a reply back from Watford Vicarage Road confirming that James was not buried there. No reply from the museum re any records. I may try Rickmansworth Cemetries via three rivers council again as they were very helpful for George. Admittedly, I had more info to point them to the right cemetery etc. Maybe worth a shot later.