George GOODMAN

[jtas]

Hi bgoodman

Can you confirm who is  w j h hardy on the death information page that you posted earlier.

How do you know that George was buried in the unconsecrated section, maybe there was no money to pay for his funeral and he had to have a pauper grave

Look forward to your reply

Jackie

[Maddie]

Hi

I have just been reading about the unconsecrated ground in Chorleywood cemetery & it was there for any non C of E burials including non religious ones. It was also quite common for the officiating minister to actually consecrate the burial plot at the time if appropriate.

The Father of the R C church in Ricky was Henry Hardy, from 1886 until 1904. I can't find any Henry or otherwise on the census at all.

As Mary & the children were all of the Catholic faith I would imagine that George would have had to take the faith to allow him to marry Mary, not necessarily that he was born a Catholic & as you say, before 1886 Catholicism was unheard of in Ricky. He does seem pretty sure that that was where he was born.

Maddie

[bgoodman]

Thank you all for your input. I did wonder if there was an adult confirmation etc when George and Mary got married in 1875 in Clonmel. George was a soldier then and according to Michael Gandy, the Catholic priests were not strict at that time re folk having to convert in order to marry. I am not convinced that such a record doesn't exist but it is trying to find how to go about searching for it, especially in Ireland. I didn't realize that that person Hardy would have any significance. I hadn't thought to look him up before. I guess my next quest is trying to find the burial register where Mary Katherine (Catherine) is buried as the little notes for example daughter of Mary Goodman etc may be what I need to confirm that she is my girl.

[bgoodman]

Hi, I have rang Hertford Local Studies and they have just informed that there has been a flood therefore the burial registers Watford/Rickmansworth are not available at present. They suggested that I contact the Local Historical Society, which I have now done by e-mail. Hopefully I will get some information even if it is a push in the right direction as to where to start looking for Catherine's burial. I know that George (senior) and his daughter were buried by Rickmansworth Union Burial Board as they died in, and were from the parish of Rickmansworth. However, Mary Katherine (Catherine) actually died in Watford therefore may not come under Rickmansworth Union in 1894.

[bgoodman]

Hi, re W. H. J Hardy I noticed that when Margaret Phillis died at the end of May the ceremony was performed by a W. J. Harding. Not sure if the second entry is a mistake as Maddie found the first guy which does appear to make sense.

[bgoodman]

Hi all, the information that I read on Rev. Henry Hardy was that he was a secular priest who founded the catholic mission 1886. That the corrugated Iron Chapel, built by Hardy, was in Rickmansworth high street until it was demolished when new premises and land were purchased from the Salter Brewery Company. Just out of interest does anyone know where in the high street the corrugated iron chapel would have been.

[1783caz]

Salters Brewery had the malting house next door to some cottages near fortune common ...it was later converted into the presbytery behind the catholic church. i think that church was "our lady help of christian catholic church" ... in park rd ....opened in 1909....im reading from one of my books that when this church was enlarged in 1935 incl 2 classrooms which meant that St Monicas school could move out of its corrugated Iron Hut ... would st monicas school be the old church ?

[[Ray]]

Morning!

Somewhere I have a pic of the maltings before they "stuck the church" on the front.

The following pic shows the (possibly new) church with the photographer standing the other side of the railway bridge (you can see the arch framing the church).
The photographer is standing across the road from the brewery.
The 1896 map shows that area very well, but no obvious tin hut.
The Methodist(Wesleyan) Chapel was 50-100 yards behind the photographer
(same side as brewery)
The Baptist Chapel 100-150 yards behind "him" on "this" side of the High Street   
http://www.rickmansworthcatholicchurch.org/churchhistory.htm

There were a number of those tin huts built for worship around that time.
The obvious remaining one (to me) is the one opposite The Clarendon (Arms) at Chandlers Cross
http://goo.gl/maps/09XwE

Ray

[1783caz]

there was also a barn used at the rear of coach and horses owned by salters ....was registered as a meeting place for te baptist community...and that i think was just across rd from he church ray mentioned "Wesleyan chapel"...of which ad originaly housed a smaller chapel and a coachbuilding but destroyed in fire in 1855