George GOODMAN

[bgoodman]

I will chase up that obituary tomorrow Monday if it doesn't arrive as It is taking ages. I saw that info before on the census re the Tackham connection. I also remember seeing Goodmans in Croxley green. I believe in one of the census there was a lady in a nicely named cottage.
I asked my brother to send me the photos of Mary Goodman (nee McCarthy) and Hubert. I will try and put them on although they will have to be quite small. Hubert is the fairer one perched on a stool with his friend. In the last photo he appears to be older and appears to have stripes on his sleeve suggestive of a Sargent. I must say the innocence is gone and he appears to have a hardened appearance. The photo of Mary with the writing at the bottom states the name of the photographer and James Street Harrogate.

[bgoodman]

Several attempts later..

[Maddie]

Hi

I wonder what Mary was doing in Harrogate to have her photo taken there. !!!

I would imagine that the pic of Hubert sporting the Sargent stripes would have been taken after August 1914 when he was promoted & before 1919 when he left the regiment.

Still no sign of that obit then.

Maddie

[bgoodman]

Thank you Maddie for your concern, you really are kind. I just had a postal delivery and alas no obituary. I have now e-mailed the herts department as I ordered the obituary on the 10th of Sept, therefore it has been more than 10 days. Hopefully I will get it fairly soon now. I know that the photos are not very clear on Rootschat although I did notice that Mary appeared more casual in the first photo. The second one with her uniform on appears quite smart in comparison. I wondered about the Harrogate as well as far as I know there are no dates etc on the back of it. Not sure if she ever actually worked on Bury farm, seemed to be giving birth a lot of the time. When her daughter Teresa Gertrude died in Cashel in 1888 it was noted that Teresa was with her grandmother Margaret Carty (McCarthy) and it stated that Teresa was the daughter of a housekeeper. In the Irish later census it says private midwife. Not sure if my cousin in Ireland have managed to unearth any records of her training, if indeed she did actually train at all. I know that when she first got ill she was living with my grand father and his wife. Mary apparently got visits from some posh folks. My grand mother mentioned to my mother that these were previous customers re the midwifery.

[jtas]

hi everyone,

it may be worth doing a bit of digging around with the photographer`s name, so that we can get a rough idea of when mary was in harrogate. His name looks like Waller Davey, of 12 jerome street Harrogate. I will look on findmypast later.

Bye for now

jackie

[jtas]

sorry everyone, i mistranscribed the address, it is 10 james street harrogate. I have had a look for Waller Davey but nothing that fits has been found yet, i now wonder if in fact it is the other way around, Davey Waller, i will have another look later on.

Bye for now

Jackie

[1783caz]

walter davey the photographer  was in business from about 1886 to 1900s according to another thread on roots chat

[bgoodman]

Thanks for that Jtas. I dropped into Watford Library just now although I didn't have my details with me. The librarian informed me that another person had been looking for The Watford Leader and she was informed that the librarian had never heard of the paper. I did persist a little and she eventually managed to locate it. However, having searched the 1894 version I did not manage to locate it myself although I was too boggle eyed to try again. It is not exactly in order and the machine isn't the easiest to use, for me at any rate. I may have a look another day, with the details, if my order doesn't arrive. I did notice that Catherine's herts on line info states death notice not obituary as such. Having looked at some death notices in the Leader it just states the person's name, age and death date. I just hope I get a little more than that through the post, especially having waited so long.

[bgoodman]

Thank you also 1783Caz. Totally unrelated, I read a book recently by Jennie Walters called Swallowcliffe & hall, house of secrets. There were interesting quotes in there from Casell's household Guide c.1880s. It brought Mary Goodman's (nee McCarthy) grief to mind, "It sometimes happens among the poorer classes that the female relatives attend the funeral; but this custom is by no means to be recommended, since in these cases it but too frequently happens that, being unable to restrain emotions, they interrupt and destroy the solemnity of the sermon with their sobs and even by fainting". What strange beliefs our betters had.