George GOODMAN

[1783caz]

hi sorry to hear about the DNA results ...such a shame

just popped in for a quick question ...was there a mention of a school teacher that wasnt from rickmansworth /watford area ? was she with George senior when he died ?
i tried looking back in the thread but cant find it ...

[bgoodman]

Thank you for your comments and your efforts. Yes it is a pity about the DNA although it makes me wonder why my dad had only two 12 marker matches and the other (Devon) Goodman chap had pages of matches. Although it is true that for him there were no Goodman matches either. There was also no matches above the basic 12 marker test. It might be worth me reconsidering a Jewish or Russian connection. I know that in 1871 there is a George Goodman naturalized in the Archives although that is unlikely to be him. My ggrandfather joined the army 10th May 1871, where he said he was born in Rickmansworth. With his father's name as James it is also unlikely for him to be the son of another nationality. To answer your question 1783Caz, when George Senior my ggrandfather died there was an Elizabeth  Winfield in attendance. I know that in the 1881 census there were two ladies in the Watford and Rickmansworth areas one a younger person and another 48 year old lady. There is no occupation as such listed.

[bgoodman]

Trying to attach a copy of Mary Katherine's (Catherine) death cert. Doing just the part that displays the person in attendance. The first attempt failed perhaps because the image may have been too big. Please bear with me as I haven't tried doing this before.

[[Ray]]

Hi (Caz)

To get the positions of Killingdown and Parrotts Farms

Streetmap.co.uk search for "Dugdales" (only 1 real answer)
You will see Killingdown just north and Parrotts (now Close) just south.


R

[[Ray]]

Hi

Just a note to add to the pile

Elizabeth Winfield 23
1891 in Watford Union Workhouse/Infirmary
then following is listed 4 children
John Joseph 7
Benjamin George 5
Mary Ann 3
Henry Thomas 1

If GG ended up there then she may have befriended/known him?

Possible Marriage?
1886 Dec Berkhampstead 3a 791
Elizabeth NOAH / George Winfield


Ray

[Maddie]

Hi

With regard to the Martha on Catherine's death cert, I would say it does look to be Wilkes. She may well have been a teacher at the time, possibly the Obit may shed some light on her.

Maddie

[jtas]

Hi maddie,

hope you are well, i think you are right that the surname is probably Wilkes, and there is that Martha wilkes on the 1891 census as a teacher in Hampsted. Hopefully, bgoodman will receive the obituary very soon and it contains a new lead. I have been looking at the Elizabeth Winfield, she certainly seemed to have had a hard life, on the 1901 census she is back in the work house, now a widow with her daughter mary aged 13, henry aged 11 and another son, william aged 8. I dont know where her husband George was in 1891 and two of her sons john joseph and benjamin are not with her in 1901. If she was the Elizabeth Noah who married a George Winfield in 1886, she may have only known George Goodman for a short while because he   died in 1888.

Look forward to hearing any further information

Bye for now

jackie

[Maddie]

Hi Jackie

I'm good thanks, hope all is well with you. Yes, not much doubt that it is Martha Wilkes.

I've also just been looking at the Elizabeth Winfield that Ray found but I don't think she is the one that married George in 1886, these two seem to be together in Berko on the 1891. From Family Search the children with her in 1891 had a father Thomas but I'm still looking for him. Will let you know if I find any more just in case she could have been the Elizabeth who was with George Goodman at his death.

Maddie

[jtas]

hi,

I have found an Elizabeth phoebie Rivett born 1862 in watford and was married in 1882 to a thomas winfield. Her father was Benjamin Rivett From the way the children are named, i think she is more likely to be the Elizabeth we are looking for. On the 1901 census her age is 40years old, so that fits in with the correct birth date. I still havent found Thomas,  they must have been reunited as the last child was only 8 years old in 1901.

Bye for now

Jackie.