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Gavaghans.1870-19... Wigan
« on: Friday 04 February 11 19:48 GMT (UK) »
Help needed to find out how and where John Gavaghan(Garraghan) met Martha
Emily Stephens(Stevens).
Emily was born in Berkshire. Have her  in the 1881 census missing in the 1891census , Wigan in the 1901 census.
Ideas where she could have been greatfully accepted.

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Re: Gavaghans.1870-19... Wigan
« Reply #1 on: Friday 04 February 11 20:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

 :)

Can you provide some more information please?  What year were John and Martha born and can you provide some more detail from the 1881 and 1901 census.? Occupations, parents names, anything that might help.

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Re: Gavaghans.1870-19... Wigan
« Reply #2 on: Friday 04 February 11 21:12 GMT (UK) »
1896 Marriage at Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended

GARRAGHAN   John   & STEVENS   Emily (b 1875 or so) ?
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Re: Gavaghans.1870-19... Wigan
« Reply #3 on: Friday 04 February 11 21:20 GMT (UK) »
Well spotted Pauline  :D.  I've been looking for Martha!

Think I've got the reference for 1901 - might help to find them in 1891  ???:-

32 Taylor Street, Wigan
John Garagham 29 mar labourer born Wigan, Lancs
Emily Garagham 27 mar born Woolstone, Berks
Emily Garagham 3 mar born Wells, Swindon
Class: RG13; Piece: 3556; Folio: 41; Page: 19.

Think there is more to his occupation than labourer but can't read the original.  It has collier crossed out then "below ???? labourer".

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Re: Gavaghans.1870-19... Wigan
« Reply #4 on: Friday 04 February 11 23:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks  I have the 1901 census.
But in your post I have noticed that Emily (Junior) was born in Wells, maybe I need to search there for the Stephens /Gavaghan family.
Obviously they were there at some point?
 Emily Stephens was born in Woolstone ,Berks 1873.
Father, William born abt 1843 West Shefford,Berks, his occupation was a shepherd.
 Mother,Mary  A Stephens born abt 1850 Uffington,Berks.
They had a niece(Georgina Clark 11) staying with them in the 1881 census? 
I am really trying to find the whereabouts of Emily in 1891?When she pops up in 1901 census she is married with no occupation, Wife!

 

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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 05 February 11 11:25 GMT (UK) »
What makes you rule out the girl at RG12/615/52/14?

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Re: Gavaghans.1870-19... Wigan
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 05 February 11 12:32 GMT (UK) »
The 1901 occupation for John is "Collier Labourer". Then "Collier" has been crossed out, and over the top has been written "C" (shorthand for the Coal industry) "Below in a coal mine".
The Lancashire term for the job described is "Dataler". He would move and install pit props, move waste rock to fill old workings so that it need not be taken to the surface and any number of other jobs in a coal mine.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 05 February 11 12:43 GMT (UK) »
What makes you rule out the girl at RG12/615/52/14?

Pauline

That looks like a good possible to me Pauline.  I also saw this one which I thought might fit:-42 Mill Street, Bedford

Mary Cranfield 65 head wid living on own means born Hardwicke, Beds
Sarah E Cranfield 20 dau sgle born Stansford Bury, Beds
Emily M Stevens 19 general servant sgle born Wootton Green, Beds


Class: RG12; Piece: 1248; Folio 28; Page 6

Although having just checked the map for the birthplaces, Wantage is closer to Woolstone than Wootton Green is  ???


Thanks  I have the 1901 census.
 

Yes I realised that from your original post but posted it as a point of reference to help in the 1891 search  :).

Luzzu


Modified post as I can now see the Emily M Stevens born Wootton Green in 1901.
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Re: Gavaghans.1870-19... Wigan
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 05 February 11 13:45 GMT (UK) »
Emily junior was born in Swindon, Wilts, but AFTER her mother's marriage to John.  Might Emily senior have "gone home to mother" for the birth?
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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