Stephen Hughes Marr Sarah Roberts 1861 Ruthin

[miildredmartha]

hello everyone  is there anyone on here who has connections to the above people please?.
Sarah Married Stephen Hughes In Ruthin Dec 1861 and went to live in Weprer connahs Quay they had according to the 71 Census Children Robert  Stephen  and Alffred Hughes  this Lady Sarah I have a sneaking feeling she was my 2great Grannie.......... the first  link I had was to a Thomas Herbert (Abbott)maybe with a posh H in front making it Habott and the a has been mistranscribed as An E, He married Elizabeth Roberts in Wepre 1872 December they had a daughter Sarah Ellen  Roberts born in the Workhouse Sept 1872... later 1878 had another one Mary Ann Abbott bapt Wepre Connahs quay
lst child was farmed out to  a Richard Evans Abergele Sarah Ellen was the same to  Thomas Abbott's mother in Llannefyd as SARAH Ellen Jones g daughter of Ann Jones (prev Abbott)81 census for both children... is there anyone who can shed a light on the marriage of Stephen and Sarah please? Sarah was a Widow by 1891 in Connahs Quay
regards Martha M

[wrjones]

Well Martha,it all doesn't make much sense to me!

To start the ball rolling though;Was the Elizabeth Roberts you mentioned Sarah(Roberts)Hughes's younger sister?

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[miildredmartha]

Hi Russel .

 Sorry if it didn't make any sense ! but this is what I have Sarah Roberts Married Stephen Hughes In Ruthin District  Denbigh
 I now know 25th Dec 1861  St Hilary's Church in the Parish of Denbigh Both came from Mount Pleasan.
Stephen Hughes was 28y and a Sailor Father was Stephen Hughes Stone Cutter,
Sarah Roberts  was spinster 29y    Servant  father Robert Roberts .   
 A Skinner.
Wittness to Marriage was Thomas Price and Elizabeth Price.they signed. Stephen and Sarah  xs.
I was awaiting the marr Cert last night  which arrived today  also I have eye sight problems so my  brain prob ran away with my fingers  sorry,
Sarah Roberts I believe is my 2times great Grannie  as she had an Illegitimate child  April 1853 Baptism  Father Thomas Roberts both of Mount Pleasant Denbigh.....Base Born Daughter
At the weddding of my  great g parents Thomas Abbott and Elizabeth Roberts  Dec 1872 .... one witness was Stephen Hughes
prob Elizabeth,s Half brother  they married In Connahs Quay. lived in Wepre the old smithy.
At the Funeral of Elizabeth Abbott  Dec 1927 in Rhyl  there was a Sister in Law Mrs Stephen Hughes of Connahs Quay,
So that would be the son of Sarah Hughes nee Roberts of Connahs Quay Elizabeth's  half brother,
 son Thomas Abbott born 1890  died in 1934 in Windsor Ontario were he had acquired a new wife  who put on his death certificate Thomas Abbott of Rhyl and Elizabeth Abbott nee Hughes he prob didn't know his mother had been born a Roberts not Hughes.
I hope I am making sense this time?? the rest  of the last request is still relevant,,,,
I just need to know if anyone is researching in Connahs Quay Stepen and Sarah Hughes. (nee Roberts)
Thanks very much for an answer  .
MM x

[wrjones]

Its a little clearer now Martha.Of course if Elizabeth Roberts is living in Denbigh itself in 1861 you won't find her as those pieces are missing.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[miildredmartha]

HI Rusell what about theh 1851? or 41 ?
she would be a young child on those just a thought thanks for helping MM

[wrjones]

Well Martha,I take it that you are talking about Census entries for Sarah Roberts born in Ruthin in c 1832?

Whilst I more or less picked her out on Thursday night with a father Robert straight away,the only doubt there could be is with Robert's occupation.The Robert Roberts I am following as the father of Sarah is given consistently in 1841,51 and 61 as a Shoemaker.

Now you say he is given on Sarah's marriage certificate as a Skinner.I have asked someone on this Site who is somewhat of an authority on these trades and he tells me that whilst a Skinner was someone who was involved in the making of leather and so not necessarily directly involved in Shoemaking.

However he wonders perhaps whether Robert was a Skiver?A Skiver was someone who pared off the edges of the boot or shoe to reduce the thickness of the leather where joining was necessary.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[miildredmartha]

Hi Russell  once again many thanks.

Sarah puts Ruthin as her place of birth on the 71 Census with Stephen and it says on the marr cert  St Hilarys in the parishh of Denbigh (I dont have a clue ) my grat gran Elizabeth for the most says she was born Denbigh (one time Llannefydd) thats were her husband Thomas Abbott
was born To Ann Jones and T Abbott so maybe the          e numerator just put ditto  for Elizabeth...just a thought:)
Did you notice a Thomas Price and Elizabeth Price on your travels through  the census for Robert Roberts? they were the witness to marriage might just be a clue? mind you they did have a about a yr to marry from census to  witness...... very interesting the skiver bit ! I really didnt know that so thNKA FOR Enguiring about it  that was good of you .
I always was given to  think it meant  to skive off  work etc we live and learn dont we ?
I am feeling about blind here on Sarah and Elizabeth the main link as I have said is Stephen Hughes and how him and his decendants pop up and how great gran marr in Connahs quay et
 were exactly is Mount Pleasant ? I thought it was Denbigh itself? prob wrong again    Ive only just got back to family history  as the last yr or so has been a rough ride triple bypass dvt etc so thought I would have another stab at it and you were kind enough to pick it up  again many thanks they reallyare an awful  family to trace down......... Elizabeth Roberts Abbott managed tpo  plant one child in Abergele on a Richard Evans 81 census were he is said to be the g father maybe his 2nd wife was the parent of Robert !!!! but she says she was born in Landrillo or Lyfaen depends which census I am just adding this bit as it still puzzles me Elizabeth Roberts Abbott was 27 and in Rhyl on that Census minus any children see how confusing they are ?
i dont blame you for  leaving this  if it is found to be hard I just want to thank you again for any work you do on my behalf  xxx
MM

[wrjones]

Well Martha,lets give the Census entries for Sarah Roberts born in c 1832 in Ruthin before she was married.

1841.Living at Well St Ruthin.
Robert Roberts,born c 1791.
Elizabeth Roberts,born c 1796.
Ellis Roberts,born c 1821.
Richard Roberts,born c 1826.
Jane Roberts,born c 1827.
Sarah Roberts,born c 1832.
Edward Roberts,born c 1835.
Elizabeth Roberts,birn c 1838.
All are given as born in Denbighshire.

!851.Living at Well Street Ruthin.
Robert Roberts-Head,born c 1792,Ruthin Denbighshire.
Elizabeth Roberts-Wife,born c 1793,Llanrhaedr Denbighshire.
Jane Roberts-Daughter,born c 1826,Ruthin Denbighshire.
Sarah Roberts-Daughter,born c 1833,Ruthin Denbighshire.
Edward Roberts-Son,born c 1835,Ruthin Denbighshire.
Elizabeth Roberts-Daughter,born c 1838,Ruthin Denbighshire.

As for the Thomas and Elizabeth Price who were witnesses to Sarah and Stephen's marriage,it may be a little speculative but North Wales BMD gives a marriage in 1858 in the St Asaph District of Denbighshire(which includes Denbigh) of a Thomas Price and an Elizabeth Roberts,this may be Sarah's sister born in c 1838.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[miildredmartha]

Hi Russel again .
You really are doing welll there clever lad x
Speculation  is all we have the moment on *Price*  but it looks good  doesnt it?.......
Wonder if I can follow them  to a later Census worth a look you are very good at this and I thank you once again for your efforts its a big help ... Take Care
MM