Morris FITZGERALD

[scorpio773]

Hi to all

I am trying to find out when my grandmothers brother Morris Fitzgerald died and so far have not been able to find a Death Certificate - I have searched Australian BDM and there is nothing listed.  He was mentioned in a letter from my grandmother to my grandfather in March 1905 and when Morris's mother died in December 1906 his name is not on the Death Certificate but there is a deceased male - I am assuming he died between March 1905 and December 1906.  i have been to WA Genealogy Society and they cannot find anything.  If anyone can come up with any suggestions I would appreciate it.  He had been working in Denmark in the sawmill industry and moved on to Dardanup in late March 1905 - I would say to work in the same industry.

I would appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks
Mary

[wivenhoe]

Can you give some birth details for Morris please - when, where, and names of parents.

[scorpio773]

Hi Wivenhoe

Morris Fitzgerald was born on 4t June 1883 parents Richard Fitzgerald and ellen Harty.  they lived in South Australia for several years and then moved to Victoria and ended up in Western Australia (Denmark).  I can place him there in March 1905 but on his mothers Death Certificate at the end of December 1906 he is not mentioned but there is listed 1 deceased male and 1 female.  We know who the female is and think the male has to be Morris.

Hope you can help as I have looked everywhere and cannot find anything.

[XXXX]

Hi Mary,

Did either Richard or Ellen Fitzgerald have a Will?

I’ve checked “Australia’s Army War Dead 1885-1972” - no Morris Fitzgerald’s mentioned.  There was a Morris James Fitzgerald, age 36, joined Australian Imperial Forces in 1916, he was born near Black Rock in South Australia, however he states that his Father was a Thomas Fitzgerald of Petersbury.

Link: http://www.naa.gov.au/

Your Morris certainly did not get a mention in his brothers death notice.

The West Australian - Monday 31 March 1924, page 1.

Deaths:

Fitzgerald, On March 29, 1924, Richard third son of the late Ellen and Richard Fitzgerald, formerly of South Australia and Melbourne; brother of Michael (Wuraming), Garrett (Victoria Park), Francis (Allanson), Mrs. Laughnan (Wuraming), Mrs. Mitchell (Melbourne), Mrs Towers (Carlisle).  Adelaide and Melbourne papers please copy.

Link: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

Did Morris have a middle name?
The female Fitzgerald that passed away - Is she sharing a grave with any other family members?

Sorry, more questions than answers I'm afraid.

Cheers,

Janet.

[cando]

Information on death certs is only as good as the knowledge of the informant.  According the their SA marriage registration Ellen was born c1842 however her burial record notes she was born c1846.   

Have you looked at Richard's 1918 death certificate?  I assume he is the Richard David buried with Ellen at Karrakatta?  Is Morris mentioned as issue? 

There are three chatters' researching this family and if I recall correctly there was an illegitimate birth in Vic in 1893 to ?Ellen FITZGERALD and the son had later claimed Richard and Ellen as parents on his marriage cert.  If you use the Search facility and search using Harty and the Australian board it will bring up the thread/s.

Cheers
Cando

[scorpio773]

Hi to Janet and Cando

First of all I believe Morris may have died between 1905 and December 1906 as he was not mentioned on Ellen's Death Certificate in 1906.  When Richard died in 1918 he was not mentioned on that either but on both ellen and richards Death Certificate it shows 1 deceased male, 1 deceased female.  I know the deceased female was annie who died in Clifton Hills victoria in 1895 but the only deceased male I can think of is Morris.  My grandmother used to talk of her brothers and sisters all the time and I never heard of any other male except the ones we have found onthe Death Certificates.  As we have Morris's Birth Certificate we know he existed and he would have to be dead by now as he was born in 1883 but so far I cannot find a Death Certificate - also there is no middle name showing on the Birth Certificate.  I do not have Richard (Jnrs) Death Certificate so do not know if he was listed on that or not.

I do not know if Ellen or Richard had a Will and as far as I know Annie does not share a grave with anybody as she was the first in the family to die and after that the rest of the family (with the exception of ellen) came to Western Australia.

cheers
Mary

[cando]

He was mentioned in a letter from my grandmother to my grandfather in March 1905

May I ask in what context....had she seen him or was it simply a reference to him moving to another district? 

The 1906 Australian Electoral Roll shows the FITZGERALD family at Wellington Mill with Maurice [not Morris] as a Mill hand.   Was Richard Snr a butcher?

Pity Ellen's in memoriam notices didn't name the family - perhaps you can work them out from their initials.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bpc/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bpd/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bpe/

I can't find a death notice for Richard FITZGERALD in 1918.

Cando

[scorpio773]

Hi Cando

In the letter Nora (my grandmother) is asking her husband to send her some money so she can catch the train from Albany as Gary (brother) is leaving to go to yarloop and Michael and Morris (brothers) are going to Dardanup and therefore she would be left in Denmark on her own.  Apparently the mill was closing and as they were all mill hands they had to move on.

As far as I know Richard Senior was not a butcher - I think he was described as a labourer.

We have a Death Certificate for Richard who died on May 18 1918 and on that Morris is not mentioned - all the other brothers are but there is mention of 1 deceased male and as he was not mentioned on Ellen's Death Certificate either in 1906 but there is 1 deceased male mentioned that is why I believe he died sometime in 1906 and as ellen died 29 December 1906 it could have been towards the end of 1906.

Also I have not seen the memoriums for Ellen.

Thanks heaps
Mary

[scorpio773]

Hi Cando

Have just followed your links to the West australian and it is hard to try and sort out from the initials as there would probably be grandchildren as well as children in the initials - I'm trying to go thru it now.  Thanks for your assistance as I am not too clued up on how to get onto these sights.

Cheers
Mary