Morris FITZGERALD

[Essie]

. . . I tend to agree with you that Hannah could be Hanora or Honorah . .
Mary

Hi Mary
 
I have frequently seen Honora shortened to Nora.  And Johanna was often shortened to Anna/Annie.

Now this is going to upset the details you have of Morris still being alive in 1905. This death record in Adelaide suggests Morris/Maurice died young.


Maurice FITZGERALD  died 26 Jun 1884 aged 13m
Relative: Richard FITZGERALD (F)
Residence & Death Place: Adelaide
Ade / Book 139 & Page 43

Died 1y 3wks if this was the birth of the same child.
Morris FITZGERALD born 4 Jun 1883
Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide
Ade / Book  304 & Page 384
Parents: Richard & Ellen


Essie

[merlfitz]

Hi Essie
I checked and the birthdate for Morris and it is 4th June 1883 so that is a bombshell, perhaps Mary's Nan was referring to another Morris.  No wonder we couldn't find any information as to his marriage, war records or death....
Case closed for Morris I would say, Mary.
Thanks so much for help Essie and Cando
Bye for now
Merl

[scorpio773]

Hi Essie

I have just had another look at the letter written to my grandfather on 23 March 1905 to make sure I had it right.  She says "Gary is going up to take a bench at Yarloop - he is going away Saturday morning and Mick and Maurice (note spelling) are going to Dardanup so you see as I said it would be I am left here on my own to get away the best way I can."

Earlier in the letter she says "there is a dance in the Hall tonight the close up Dance the mill finished today".

Obviously that is why everyone had to move to look for work and ended up in Wellington Mills - it appears my grandfather must have left a little earlier if the work was drying up.

Thanks
Mary

[cando]

Hi Cando,
I am not sure where she is buried she worked at Northcote and lived in Clifton Hills but she also had family members at Daylesford.  
The death details for Michael Fitzgerald came from a grandson of Michael Fitzgerald's who has an online tree, so thought his information would have been correct, but obviously not so.  
Cheers
Merl

Out of interest I will make a couple of phone calls tomorrow to see if I can find where Annie is buried...I am also curious.  Thanks for posting the plaque....I thought you meant a brass plaque on a headstone   If Annie is buried at MGC there is no headstone.  There is an old cemetery at Separation Street, Northcote and another cemetery near Clifton Hill [no 's'] is Heidelberg.  To date I have not received a response to my two requests for burial locations for an aunt buried at Heidelberg  so hope we find Annie's place of burial at MGC or Northcote.  I should mention that Northcote has very limited information on burials...mainly compiled from receipts and other info.  There appears to be no burial register as such.

Oh Merl....always check info....I am always finding errors in information.  Away from rootschat I also help a lot of people with their family research and it is surprising how much information that has been accepted by families as correct is inaccurate.  I'll step down from the soapbox now  If you need validation of any bdm's that aren't online just pm me ie in Vic [online but need to pay to view], Tas or SA.  I have some limited info for NT.  There are lots of lovely helpful people here that will help you check your info.

Now who is the Morris that Ellen referred to in her letter in 1905 and who is the Maurice at Wellington Mill on the 1906 Electoral Roll?  A relative?

Australian Electoral Roll
WA 1906  Swan/Wellington
FITZGERALD Elizabeth  Wellington Mill  HD
FITZGERALD Ellen   Wellington Mill  HD
FITZGERALD Maurice  Wellington Mill  Mill Hand
FITZGERALD Michael  Wellington Mill  Mill Hand
FITZGERALD Richard Jnr Wellington Mill  Mill Hand

I am needed in the domestic dept....hungry males waiting for an evening meal

Cheers
Cando

[scorpio773]

Hi Essie and Cando

Thanks for all your help - Cando is it possible to try and find a Death Notice for the death of Morris as that may list all the siblings and it would be proof positive of his death.

Cheers
Mary

[scorpio773]

Hi Cando

Just saw your post about Maurice Fitzgerald being on the Electoral Roll of 1906.  The Maurice in the letter I was talking about was a letter from Nora to her husband John towers.  Nora was Maurice's sister and you have probably read my post quoting from ler letter written in 1905.

Could you please see if you can take this further as I would really appreciate it.

Thanks heaps
Mary

[merlfitz]

Hi Cando,
Thanks for your very helpful advice, and look forward to seeing if you find any info as to where Annie could be buried.
I have hunted through the family tree and cannot find any other Morris or Maurice mentioned. 
Also is it possible that Ellen had another child after Morris died and named him Maurice but didn't register the birth.  They seemed to do that back then, name a child after one that died and also I have a few on my tree who were never registered. 
I have Morris's birth certificate here and he was definately born on the 4th June 1883 at Cassell Street Adelaide North Ward...and witness on his birth cert is Hannah Fitzgerald sister..she would have been about 13 or 14.
Cheers
Merl

[Essie]

Hi

Index for WA Electoral Rolls has more than one Maurice FITZGERALD in 1906. Also in 1910 in Swan and still in 1925. A man of the same name was in the Goldfields too but he died in 1943 aged 80 so was not the brother of Nora.  Records have sooo many FITZGERALD familes with the same names to make things difficult.

TROVE has mention of a Maurice FITZGERALD in trouble on the Albany-Wagin railway track in 1907.

BMD records in SA have a Maurice FITZGERALD married to Ann SULLIVAN in Adelaide in 1858 and the father was named Garrett FITZGERALD. At one time this couple lived at the same place as Richard and Ellen and also had a daughter named Honora.  The Biographical Index SA has a Maurice and Richard both coming from "COR IRE".  If they were brothers or cousins then some of that family may have moved to WA as well.

Essie

[merlfitz]

Hi Essie,
That is interesting, about the bmd records in SA but our Richard was born about 1840.  The Maurice and Richard coming from "Cork Ire" what year did they arrive?
Perhaps it was too early to tie in with our Richard, he married in SA 16 Feb 1864 aged about 24, could neither read or write and signed with a cross.
I am afraid I am not very good at searching SA I can't seem to get anywhere. 
When you say that Maurice Fitzgerald and Ann Sullivan lived in the same place, did you mean the same suburb or house?  It is a coincidence that the father is also named Garrett and came from Cork, as we have our Richard arriving on the ship "North" 12 Jan 1859 and that states he is from Cork but on his death certificate they have him born in Limerick.  His marriage certificate has his father as Garrett.
It is all very confusing and it would be good to get to the bottom of this.  But who knows, one day we might get some answers.
I will follow up the Trove incident you mentioned and keep searching the Electoral Roles.  What is this sub that you mentioned to see details on it?
Cheers
Merl