Walter Beaver Jones 1891 &1901 Census Lookups

[wafer]

Was Walter Beaver Jones related to Hugh beaver Jones (1826) .Hugh was borne in Llanbeblig and moved to London to work for H.M.customs. He was my GGGrand father.Any help will do. Regards Derek.

[IanLambert]

Hi Derek


Havong troule replkying so hope yo uget thsi


Sorry, but i don't think he was as he only moved his middle name of 'Beaver' to part of his surname c1906. He was originally Jones


Ian

[Ladyhawk]

Ah ha! That 1881 census looks very promising then - I will try to find the marriage between Walter (snr) & Catherine perhaps to help confirm and also that birth.
Perhaps Walter (snr) changed occuopation, moved to Liverpol then his son became a journalsit there.

RG12 Piece:2996 Folio:33 Page:8     
1891 51 Wrayburn Street, West Derby, Liverpool
Walter Jones Head Married M 71 1820 House Agent Carnarvon
Catherine Wife Married F 33 1858 Penzance
Walter B Son Single M 20 1871 Clerk Arthoy Merionethshire

Ian - did you establish if Walter B (Beaver) Jones with parents Walter & Catherine on 1881/1891 census was your Walter?

Was Walter Beaver Jones related to Hugh beaver Jones (1826)
Hugh was borne in Llanbeblig
He was my GGGrand father

Sorry, but i don't think he was as he only moved his middle name of 'Beaver' to part of his surname c1906. He was originally Jones

Hello both

Ian looking back over the thread I'm wondering if Hugh Beaver Jones is the brother of Walter Jones Snr. (1821) occ Currier

Both christened in the same place, both have parents with the same name & there is a
Hugh & Walter Jones together with parents named William & Jane on 1841 census

Walter JONES 5 Apr 1820 Christening  Llanbeblig Caernarvon
Parents William Jones & Jane

Hugh Beaver JONES  25 Jul 1826 LLANBEBLIG,CAERNARVON
Parents William Jones & Jane

1841 Castle Square, Llanbeblig Caernarvonshire
HO107 piece 1394 folio 4/11 page 14

W JONES 45 1796 Agent
Jane 43 1798
WALTER 20 1821 Currier
Ann 20
Owen 18
Hugh 15 (1826)
Rowland Hghs 12 1829
Charles 10
Jemima 6
Labina 14

So possibly a link to your Jones family what do you think?

[Ladyhawk]

It would appear that Hugh Beaver Jones & Walter Jones are brothers, they married in the same Church & father's name is William
 
St Paul Bunhill Row 4 Aug 1853 by Licence
Walter Jones occ. Currier father William Jones occ Currier
Catherine Charlotte Johnson f Augustus Johnson occ. Mariner
Both full age, all signed their names
Wits Walter Thos Phillips, Catherine  & Richard Williams

St. Paul Bunhill Row 30 July 1851 by Licence
Hugh Beaver Jones occ. Clerk HMC father William Leather Merchant
Elizabeth Williams f Richard Williams occ. Master Mariner
Both full age, all signed their names
Witnesses Walter C L Floyd, Eleanor Roberts, Marianne Black &  John Williams

Here’s Hugh 1861/1881census married to Elizabeth

RG9; Piece: 2686; Folio: 45; Page: 35
Hugh B Jones 34 Caernarvon Examining Officer HM Customs
Elizabeth 39
D J 8
Catharine E 7
Hugh D 4
John H 1 month

RG11; Piece: 3588; Folio: 7; Page: 14 – Cheshire
Hugh B Jones 54 Caernarvon Registra H M Customs
Elizabeth 59  “
Elizabeth I 28 London Middx
Margaret Evans 25

Hugh Beaver Jones died age 73
Sep 1899 Marylebone vol 1a page 393

For info. looks as if there was a double wedding (Elizabeth sister)

St Paul Bunhill  Row 30 Jul 1851
Walter Thomas Phillips widow Custom House Agent Lc f Joseph occ Sail Maker
Eleanor Griffith Williams father Richard Williams Master Mariner
Both full age, all signed
Witness ? Wright, Eleanor Roberts, C Williams, John Williams & Walter C L (F)loyd

Walter Thomas Phillips married after Banns  9 April 1834
Elizabeth Blaney Lark in presence of William Jeffries, B G ?, J ? &
Harriet Blaney

Here’s Eleanor Griffith Phillips nee Williams 1861/1881 census

RG9; Piece: 316; Folio: 5; Page: 3
Walter T Phillips 57 Penzance Cornwall occ Victualler
Elinor G 43 Caenarvon
3 lodgers

RG11; Piece: 716; Folio: 20; Page: 34
Walter Phillips 77 Penzance formely Custom House Agent
Eleanor 68 Caernarvon
Elizabeth Williams  mother in law widow 88
Harold Phillips Nephew 15

Eleanor Griffith Williams 23 Apr 1817 Llanbeblig Caernarvon
Parents Richd Williams & Elizabeth

Eleanor Griffith Phillips died Jan 1897 Wandsworth

[IanLambert]

Thanks very much for the info - I need to sit down and look it all over!!!



Ian

[Jackie Gruber]

Hi Ian,

I came across a copy of your segment of your Rootschat on the internet regarding Elizabeth Beaver Jones or Elizabeth Ho Lem.  I am writing to you from Calgary where I grew up next door to Elizabeth Ho Lem and from reading the info that you have gathered, this is indeed the same person.  I note that your inquiries are from some time ago but if you still have any questions regarding her or her children perhaps I can fill in some blanks.

Jackie

[IanLambert]

Hi Jackie
Thanks very much for the offer of help. Any info at all would be so greatly appreciated. My own email address is i................... if you are happy to send info to that then perhaps I can send you what I have pieced together the m we can match info. In the first instance I am still trying to find out when Elizabeth (known here as Lizzie) married Ho Lem (1948-53?). Also I know that Hugh was killed in 1927 and rhat Walter (Jnr) died in Vancouver in 1977 and was a newspaper editor in Kelowna. Do you know what Jeffrey & Frederick did. I believe that Jeffrey lived in Victoria & Frederick possibly Vancouver - Did they marry? I would also love to know if there are any Beaver Jones around in Calgary too. I also know that three of Elizabeth's brothers came to Canada (named Hanson - her maiden name) but know nothing of them other than one may have worked for CPR in Calgary as a dispatcher. Did they ever visit her i
Regards
Ian (Lambert) 

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[Jackie Gruber]

I will send you. My grandmother and grandfather stood as witness for the Ho Lem's marriage much to the displeasure of both sides of the family.  Walter (Jr) and his wife were definitely not happy about the marriage and basically disowned them. I have the marriage date in my grandmother's records and will email this to you.  I knew Fred and Geoff as they came often to visit.  Fred was in Victoria and Geoff was in Vancouver.  By the time I knew them neither of them were married and my mom cannot recollect if either of them ever married.  I didn't know Walter Jr. but at some point he and his wife owned a B&B somewhere either in England or France but not sure exactly where but definitely in Europe.  Mrs. Ho Lem used to send them money on the side to help get them back to Canada.  She didn't want anyone to know she was doing this but she did tell my grandmother.  I am not sure whether this was before or after they disowned her (LOL).  After Mrs. Ho Lem died (just shy of her 100th birthday) we kept in touch with only Geoff and would visit him in Vancouver.  David Ho Lem (Brownie sp? Ho Lem's son) was always very good to Elizabeth and came and took her out often. I will do some more checking with my family and our records and email you.

Jackie

[IanLambert]

Hi Jackie

Wow! Thanks so much and for the quick reply. I was in Vancouver & Calgary in 1982 - If only I had known then what I know now. Walter (jnr) must have come back to Canada permanently at some time - I have a photo of him when he was working at the Kelowna Daily Courier and I think he may have been married to someone called Hazel . Geoffrey (or Jeffrey) died aged 80 in Vancouver in 1991 according to the BC archives BUT I haven't found Frederick as yet!
I look forward to receiving any details you have
Regards
Ian