Pepper and Richardson

[maxitup1966]

Hi everyone
One month into compiling my family tree and I've hit an obstacle, actually two ... both my great-grandfathers on my fathers side !!
One of them is John Thomas Richardson who was born about 1881 in Hastings Old Town (I think) and was a fisherman.  I can't seem to find him nor any parents/siblings on the 1901 census ??
I know he married in Rye on 18 September 1904 to Emma Bowra ... and that's it ??

Tracing my other great-grandfather is very confusing !! 
I know that Frederick George Pepper was born in Hastings Old Town in October 1885 and married Eliza Jane Martin in July 1908.  His name is clearly written on my grandfathers birth certificate dated 1911.
On my grandfathers marriage certificate it says his father is George Henry Pepper ... what
I can't find anything for him either so do I have 5 great-grandfathers ... haha !!

I'm told that two great-grandfathers are buried at Hastings Cemetery so I just need to find out where exactly.

Any help is greatly appreciated or simply point me in a better direction cos it feels like I'm heading into a force 9 gale at the moment !!

Cheers Dave

[lizdb]

First - JT Richardson - have you got his fathers name and occupation from his marraige cert?
And also his age and place of birth from 1911 census?
With these details there is a better chance of finding the right person in earlier censuses before his marriage.
Of course he may have been out fisihing in 1901 .......

re FG Pepper - I'll have a look on 1891 census to see if he can be spotted ...

[lizdb]

Cant see him quickly.
But his birth is on FreeBMD:

Oct/Nov/Dec 1885
Hastings 2b 29
Frederick George Pepper

his birth cert would give both parents names which might help

[groom]

Could this be him in 1901

RG 13/864/37/29

4 Oxford Terrace Hastings

James Barnes  head   38   carter for coal dealer                     Brede Sussex
Fanny Barnes  wife    47                                                         Battle
Joseph Pepper step son 20     Fisherman                              Hastings
Charles Pepper step son 17         "                                              "
George Pepper step son  15   errand boy for flower selller     Hastings
Fanny Pepper step dau    12                                                   Hastings
Willie Larkin  step son      8                                                     Hastings
Nellie Larkin  step dau     5                                                      Hastings

Jan

[lizdb]

Brilliant find, Jan

The family (incl Frederick ) are under Larkin in 1891
RG12 759 63 6

so Fanny must have been married 3x
first Pepper, then Larkin, then Barnes


George Larkin 41 boat builder bn Hastings
Fanny 37 bn BAttle
mary 17
James 12
Joseph 10
Charles 7
Frederick 5
Francis 2
Stephen 3 mths   children all bn Hasitngs

[maxitup1966]

Could this be him in 1901

RG 13/864/37/29

4 Oxford Terrace Hastings

James Barnes  head   38   carter for coal dealer                     Brede Sussex
Fanny Barnes  wife    47                                                         Battle
Joseph Pepper step son 20     Fisherman                              Hastings
Charles Pepper step son 17         "                                              "
George Pepper step son  15   errand boy for flower selller     Hastings
Fanny Pepper step dau    12                                                   Hastings
Willie Larkin  step son      8                                                     Hastings
Nellie Larkin  step dau     5                                                      Hastings

Jan

I've just been looking at this info, wondering if George is in fact Frederick George or George Henry.
I think its the same Joseph Pepper that was killed in the Swan Inn on Sunday 23 May 1943 by a bomb dropped by the German Luftwaffe ... not that it's any help to my search !

[lizdb]

Age 15 in 1901 - has to be Frederick George

See also 1891 above (called Frederick then)

[maxitup1966]

Was she not born Fanny Pepper in about 1853

[lizdb]

Now here is a turn up for the books - I am wondering if there ever WAS a dad called George Henry Pepper, or if he was made up for teh marriage cert!

1881
RG11 1023 64 53
3 Wellingon Ct Hastings
Fanny Pepper 27 unm bn battle
Mary J 7
James 2
Joseph 6 weeks