Pepper and Richardson

[toni*]

you may be able to find the father if there was written evidence who was providing for their upkeep, how could fanny go out to work with 6/7 children in tow?

what was her occupation on the census some people did put the more daring prostitute but others covered it up with dressmaker for example if you found a dressmaker with a lot of illegitimate children and a bunch of dressmakers together at that you can be pretty certain but not sure that she was in fact a lady of he night.
sometimes the enumerator would make his own notes

sometimes when the children were christened the vicar / curate would put a note in the margin who the reputed father was.

on the marriage certs you have who were the witnesses these sometimes turn out to be relations.

[groom]

In 1881 Fanny said she was a laundress.

[maxitup1966]

I'm just updating my ancestry.co.uk tree with these latest names so I'd just like to say thanks lizdb, groom, omega and toni  
I'll stop there cos I'm crap at speeches and I'm bound to blub 

[maxitup1966]

Sorry to drag you all back and ask more favours, but is there any info on John Thomas Richardson, my other great grandfather
He was born about 1881 in Hastings I think.
Again I don't know any brothers/sisters or parents.
He married on the 18 Sept 1904 to Emma Bowra.
They had 8 children that I know of between 1908-1922, my grandmother being one of them.

Thanks Dave 

[omega 1]

Hi Dave

I could only find on the census a John Richardson born 1876,Hastings

1881,living 53,All Saints St,Hasings

John 31 Fisher Hawker
Susan 35,Wife
John 5

1891,living same address

Both John`s Fish Hawkers

You may need to shake your Piggy Bank & get some Certs :)working back from your Grandmother

omega

[omega 1]

Scrub that John  born 1876,his middle name was Stanley

omega

[maxitup1966]

From my grandmothers birth certificate I would only see her parents names which I know anyway

[lizdb]

Have you got his marriage cert? That would hopefully give his father's name and occupation (unless of course he was illegitimate and it is left blank!)

May have other clues (eg if he or Emma had been married before) and their addresses at time of marriage.
Where did the 1881 birth year and place come from? Have you found he and Emma and the eldest children on 1911 census to see when/where he said he was born then?

[maxitup1966]

I haven't got the marriage cert for John Thomas & Emma.
I only know from ancestry that it was 18 Sept 1904.
I can't remember where I plucked 1881 from ... brain overload I guess ... lol

So would my best route be to purchase their marriage certificate, and if so where from please