Edward Palmer Smith

[CaroleW]

Very well done Annette - another mystery solved

[JVH]

I've found Edwin Palmer Smith's family in the 1871 census for St. Mary Magdalene Parish, Tauton, Somerset.

RG10/2370/65 p 22.

Edwin Smith, Head, 36, Bootmaker
Charlotte Smith, Wife, 34, Straw bonnet maker
William H. Smith, Son, 16, Bootmaker (learner)
Ellen C. Smith, Daughter, 9, Scholar
Edwin P. Smith, Son, 6, Scholar................... "P" reported erroneously as an "I"
William Thorne, Lodger, 21, Shoemaker (journeyman)

...all born in Taunton Somerset

By comparing with the entry on Sched line 98 on page 21, Frederic Page, we can see how Edwin's "I" is actually a "P".

I'm not sure if I need any sort of copyright notice on this, as the info is originally from the National Archives, but when retrieved from ancestry.com there is no copyright notice, only a valid usage statement, so... I'll add the notice anyway.

John

"This information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk"

[JVH]

Annette, does the 1911 census show that the family is still in the workhouse, or just still in Taunton?  And is Cecil (Cyril) still with them?  Apparently he claimed that he left home at 14, but the tale that his mum was the villain in the piece doesn't seem to be holding water, so I'm wondering what gives.

John

[CaroleW]

Hi

1911 details are not permitted - copyright restrictions

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355486.0.html

[JVH]

Darn!  I thought someone might say that!    I wish genealogy.com would hurry up and make the whole thing available.  It rankles that I would have to pay another site when I'm already paying their subscription.  The summary is really a dud.  I may just have to bite the bullet and find a pay-per-use site for the whole thing, and make sure I have all my ducks in a row before I use it.   Quack!

John

[CaroleW]

Hi John

The Copyright Editor would have no choice but to remove any info that can only be obtained by subscription

We can post certain details that are available by using the free index but addresses are not one of them

The index should show Institution in the first column if they were in the WH - otherwise it will show Household

[JVH]

Unfortunately the summary doesn't even show the first names, you get Mr. Smith or Mrs. Smith or Miss Smith, and a head count by gender.  Without knowing their other names, or the names of other members of the family, you're done.  Is there a site you could recommend who provide subscription or per-use access to the complete 1911 census?

The Edwin Smiths seem to have been using the name Edwin for father and one son since at least the early 1800's and shoemaking since the early 1840's.  There seems to be a bit of a tangle with an 1802 Edwin Smith and an 1806 Edwin Smith, but once I get a bit of free time I should be able to work out who's who in the zoo.  What better way to spend the day of a snowstorm here near Liverpool, Nova Scotia, than a bit of detective work?

I found an early picture of the Taunton Union Workhouse, with it's top-hatted "master" standing before it.  Today it looks like the building has been turned into condos.  What else? 

John

[sillgen]

Hi
The 1911 index is free to search and there are lots of suggestions on this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,492718.0.html
You can either go to Findmypast or www.1911census.co.uk  for the whole thing.
If you do get credits don't waste them on the transcription.  Always go to the original image as you get much more information.
Regards
Andrea

[CaroleW]

1911 Free Index (still in Taunton) indicates that 'Arthur' should be Archie and birth reg's show an Archibald Dunster Smith b. Dec.1898 Cardiff.

Unfortunately the summary doesn't even show the first names, you get Mr. Smith or Mrs. Smith or Miss Smith, and a head count by gender

Sounds to me as though you are using the Ancestry 1911 Summary Books

Go to http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

Input Archie Smith birthplace Cardiff and you will find the entry referred to above.  You will also see it shows Household against the entry


If you then follow the instructions below - you may get what you want

USING THE FREE 1911 INDEX TO DETERMINE THE CORRECT HOUSEHOLD

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

Once you find a possible match - make a note of the county and district in which the person was living

Return to the index and in PERSONAL DETAILS - just put the surname of the family - nothing else

In LOCATION - Select the county and below it - type in the district

In OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HOUSEHOLD - show the full name of the person you have found on the index

Click SEARCH

You will have to buy credits to view the full entry - the above instructions will only help to possibly show others of the same name in the same household