Edward Palmer Smith

[CaroleW]

Hi Annette

This particular William P Smith has already been ruled out - see replies #6, 8 and 9 from Maryam and myself

[Maryam]

There's a possible here for Edward in the 1901, but in Wales:

1901 Census
RG13 4939 77 6
The Surgery, Tredegar, Monmouthshire
Percival SMITH Head 38 Surgeon b Edmonton Middx
Margaret A Wife 39 b Brecon G?
Margaret Dau 10 b Monmouthshire
William H Son b Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Dau 7mths b Monmouthshire
Henry W EATON F in Law 79 b Carmarthen
Edward P SMITH Bro 40 Single (no occupation stated) b Edmonton Middx
Plus 4 servants

Percival's occupation and pob seem fitting, as Edward's father was a surgeon.

Marriages:
June Qtr 1889 Bedwelty Vol 11a Page 141
On the same page: Percival SMITH, Margaret EATON

KR
Maryam

Added: posts crossed; no, I think this might be the right one!

[CaroleW]

The 1919 marriage cert of Cyril Charles Greyson Smith shows his father as Edward Palmer Smith occ bootmaker

Cyril was born 1892 in Pancras and this is written above by JVH

Also my sister has told me what our grandmother (Cyril's wife) told her, which was that his mother was a drunk, and that his father (Edward) died of a broken heart when she left them.

The Edward Palmer Smith b 1860 Edmonton Essex was a bachelor when he married in 1903 and this status is confirmed by the 1901 census entry

On his 1903 marriage cert and the 1911 census - William Palmer Smith is an engineer - not a bootmaker

[Maryam]

Ok, apologies, getting carried away there;  so the 1903 marriage is a red herring.  If someone is looking for that particular Edward Palmer SMITH, then there's some info for them.  I too look forward to the birth certificate info.

Definitely time for bed, before I start posting Joneses, Greens and other unrelated families..... 

Night night

KR
Maryam

[Annette7]

Believe I have found family in 1901 - in Taunton - but minus Edward.

1901 - Taunton Union Workhouse

Florence Smith    Inmate   32   Marr.        Looks like Machinist possibly but big cross
                                                                  through it    b. St. Johns Wood, Middx
Edwin M. Smith      "      10                      b. Battersea Park, London
Cecil C. Gray. Smith  "     8                      b. Hampstead, London
Arthur D. Smith        "      3                      b. Cardiff, Wales

1911 Free Index (still in Taunton) indicates that 'Arthur' should be Archie and birth reg's show an Archibald Dunster Smith b. Dec.1898 Cardiff.   Cecil's birthplace shown as Hampstead but there wasn't a Cecil Smith reg'd in Hampstead Reg. District c.1892/3 and with the way the name is shown above it must surely be the right person.    But where is Edward???

Annette
 

[Annette7]

Sorry - forgot to quote ref. RG13 - 2278 - 161 - 5.

Annette

[Annette7]

I'm on a roll.   Found family 1891 and - his name is not Edward Palmer Smith but Edwin Palmer Smith.

1891 Census - 111 Battersea Park Road, Battersea, London

Edwin P. Smith    26    Shoemaker      b. Taunton, Somerset
Florence E J Smith   23                        b. St. Johns Wood, London
Edwin M. Smith   7 mos.                      b. Battersea, London

Ref. RG12 - 425 - 85 - 12

Edwin Palmer Smith, 25   Shoemaker, son of Edwin Smith, Shoemaker married Florence Elizabeth Jane Maskell, 21, dau. of William Lewis Maskell, House Decorator on 25/12/1889 Battersea Christ Church.

Witnesses: William Louis Maskell (both spellings of 2nd. name as written)
                   Georgina Peacock

Possible death for Edwin - Edwin P. Smith 1936 Taunton
Possible death for Florence - Florence E J Smith 1947 Taunton

Annette

[JVH]

Wow, well done Annette!  Now I'm wondering if Cyril had a grudge against his Dad eventually, maybe for straying (and driving his mother to drink?).  And perhaps when he "left home at 14" he left to live with his mother.  When he stated that his father was dead for his marriage certificate in 1919, perhaps as far as he was concerned, he was?  Apparently Cyril himself was a bit of a philanderer, so it's tempting to say the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.

I was going to post a picture of Cyril, but the "Attach a photograph or image (or other options)..." link doesn't give me that option.  Doesn't like Mozilla Firefox?  Some sort of membership restriction?

Getting late here and I have an appointment tomorrow morning, but I'll be back noting all this down tomorrow afternoon.  My sisters will just love this, especially my older one, who's getting very interested, and who has an encyclopedic memory of the past, including meeting and speaking with relatives back in England.

Thanks!

John

[Maryam]

Annette, that's brilliant!

John, some boards on this site (usually the child- or sub-boards) do not allow you to post attachments, so you haven't done anything wrong  .

KR
Maryam