de gernier?? Dundee??

[Braveheart1957]

Eddie De gernier lived at 28 Moncur Crescent in Dundee. He died late 1980s early 1990s. He is buried with his wife in a beautiful chuchyard overlooking River Esk. He was a lovely quiet man with a terrific head of white hair who collected antiques.

I went with him to Toronto in 1970 to visit his son Dougie who I believe is still there. Dougie has 2 sons - Bradley and Steven

[twillardo]

Hi,

Just recently joined the forum and I am also researching the De Gernier's from Dundee, interested in your post as to who is who, at the moment I have the following:

Antoine De Gernier b:1846, Belgium

Hortense C R Verplanche b:1851, France

Marriage: 1872, France

Children:
John De Gernier
Mary Ann De Gernier
Fanny De Gernier
Antoine De Gernier
Anne Hortense Camile Verplanche De Gernier
Francois De Gernier

Any comments would be appreciated, currently looking at Belgian & French Births & Marriages.

Thanks & regards,
Billy

[MairiD]

Hi Billy,

Antoine and Hortence had eleven children as far as I have discovered.

Gustav Georg b. 1869 Armentieres, France  (therefore born before parents' marriage--- unless he was adopted.)
Felix Edouard 1873 Armentieres
John 1875
Mary Ann 1877
Fanny 1879
Antoine 1882-1883
Antoine 1884
Ann Hortence 1886
Ellen 1888
Grace 1889
Francois 1894

These last nine born in Dundee.

Perhaps as you are accessing French records, you could verify the birthdates of the elder two.

I am currently trying to find the family of Auguste De Gernier (1890-1936) who married Jean Burns in 1926 (Dundee). I do not know whether they had any children.

Am also trying to find the younger children of Louis De G. (1882-1941) and Mary Millar.
So far I have

Maria, 1902,
Edward 1904
Louis 1907
Mary Millar 1909

Henri Felix 1913


A John George, 1911, may have been theirs.

Hope the earlier facts are of help,
MairiD

[MairiD]

Hi again Billy,

I have Antoine born 1845 Molenbeek.  Perhaps you could check this.

In my earlier post I typed Hortence instead of the correct Hortense.  Apologies.
MairiD

[twillardo]

Hi Mairi,

Thanks for responding, I have went through the 1891 & 1901 Census for Antoine & Hortense and could find only the children below as resident with them at Tindals Wynd, Dundee, I will search the 1911 Census for further info and let you know.


Children:
John De Gernier, B:1875
Mary Ann De Gernier, B:1877
Fanny De Gernier, B:1879
Antoine De Gernier, B:1884
Anne Hortense Camile Verplanche De Gernier, B:1886
Francois De Gernier, B:1894

Other De Gerniers I have come across are listed below residing at the Greenmarket in 1891,

Gustav De Gernier B:1869, France
Christina De Gernier B:1869, Fife
William De Gernier, B:1889
Christina De Gernier, B:1890

As above with the additional info for 1901 Castle Court,

Hortence, B:1892
Betsy, B: 1894
Mary A, B:1896
Eliza A, B:1898
William Balfour, Lodger

Not sure if any of it makes sense or is any help to you, have confirmed the first part through documentation, will see what I can come up with and let you know on the remainder.

Are you in the Dundee area?

Regards,
Billy

[MairiD]

Hi Billy,

No I am not in the Dundee area.

The census data gives you the people living in those years, at particular places.

Four  (if not five) of Antoine and Hortense's children died young so you need to look at birth and death certificates as well as census documents.

Gustav, the eldest, was married with a family, hence the different address in 1891.

The whereabouts of Felix Edouard, the second son, is a mystery. I have found no evidence of him going to Dundee.

Mairi.

[Forfarian]

I have Antoine born 1845 Molenbeek.  Perhaps you could check this.

Remember, if you are 'calculating' a date of birth from a census age, that the census was usually taken around the end of March/beginning of April. So someone who was aged, say, 35 in the 1881 census would have been born between April 1845 and March 1846.

In other words, if you 'calculate' the year of birth by subtracting 35 from 1881, and get 1846, it is three times more likely to have been 1845. So it's best to put it down as "1845/6" until you get an actual birth or baptism record.

[smcb]

UPDATE:
Christina (Teenie) Balfour De Gernier did marry my great -grand uncle Daniel MacGregor and they had 3 children

Suz

[manukarik]

Hi Billy,

Antoine and Hortence had eleven children as far as I have discovered.

Gustav Georg b. 1869 Armentieres, France  (therefore born before parents' marriage--- unless he was adopted.)
Felix Edouard 1873 Armentieres
John 1875
Mary Ann 1877
Fanny 1879
Antoine 1882-1883
Antoine 1884
Ann Hortence 1886
Ellen 1888
Grace 1889
Francois 1894

These last nine born in Dundee.

Perhaps as you are accessing French records, you could verify the birthdates of the elder two.

I am currently trying to find the family of Auguste De Gernier (1890-1936) who married Jean Burns in 1926 (Dundee). I do not know whether they had any children.

Am also trying to find the younger children of Louis De G. (1882-1941) and Mary Millar.
So far I have

Maria, 1902,
Edward 1904
Louis 1907
Mary Millar 1909

Henri Felix 1913


A John George, 1911, may have been theirs.

Hope the earlier facts are of help,
MairiD

I assume you already have this for Félix Edouard?

https://archivesdepartementales.lenord.fr/ark:/33518/bfm0sn1v5r63/2d8816f8-c600-4ae7-a89f-a167e7c49d37

Let me know if you need any others....