TELFORD in Westmeath Co

[santel]

From the 1881 UK census I have that John Telford of Liverpool was born in Westmeath, Ireland in 1836.

I also have from Famine Relief Papers, Nat Archives, a Captain William Telford who was appointed inspecting officer over all Co Westmeath, with a brother John Telford who seems to have been a landlord (from Becoming Irlandes by Edmundo Murray) 1845-47.  Also that Capt William Telford was formerly from Clara, Kings Co.

In the Edinburgh Gazette, War Office records 1846 - 53rd, Capt William Telford from half pay 1st Dragoons to be paymaster, vice Rich B Low, who retires half pay as Capt.

I would appreciate anything which can clarify or add to this information - I cannot connect the Capt and John his brother to my ancestor in Liverpool. 

[aghadowey]

Might be difficult but there are perhaps a few things you could try.
Do you have a marriage in England for your John Telford? if so, his father's name and occupation should be listed.
What's John's occupation in England? does it seem to 'fit' wth Captain William, etc. that you've found in Irish records? see from 1881 census John is listed as a labourer,
Have you found your John Telford in any other English census records? Son William is 18 in 1881 and born Liverpool so the family should be in 1871 census at least.
Any idea when John Telford died?

[santel]

John's wife (Mary)Ann was born in Queens Co, Ireland - I can find no record of their marriage. 
There is possibly a daughter older than William (Mary Ann raised a grandchild, John Henry Coleman b 1887, Liverpool) Their marriage was possibly abt 1860.
Can't find them in the 1871 census, but John died before 1891 - possibly W Derby 1886.
There is an enclave of Telfords at Kirkdale - Mary(Ann) and children are among them in the 1891 & 1901 census'

I have nothing to connect the Capt William and his brothrer John with our John except they are the only Telfords I can find in Westmeath.  One of them could be his father - long shot.

[aghadowey]

Telford is not an uncommon surname in Westmeath. If you search IGI (www.familysearch.org) for 'Telford' in Westmeath there are quite a few entries.

What worries me are the differences in occupations/status of John Telford and the other's you've mentioned.

[santel]

Yes, I guess if John's father was an inspecting officer for famine relief or landlord, it is unlikely his son would end up in the docks of Liverpool as a labourer- not impossible, but unlikely.

I did find a Johannes Telford and Maria Rourke marriage in 1858 in Co Westmeath - Ann used the names Mary and Mary A in England - is it likely they Anglicised these names?

I may just have to be content with the fact John and Ann were born in Ireland unless more information comes to light in the future.

There is a lot of GRO information yet to come out of Liverpool.

[aghadowey]

Church records would have been written with Latin versions of Christian names so it wasn't a matter of Anglicising their names but merely John in church records as Johannes and Mary/Mary A. as Maria.

[santel]

True?  Then there is a good chance this is them !! 

I have a number of European ancestors - Johannes/Johann and Johanna are very German/Dutch - is that from the Latin also?

Would that make them RC - they named their 1st son William which I was told in another thread is a very definite indication of Protestantism.  Or did the Protestants write in Latin then also?  I love history, but never got into the church side of it !!

[aghadowey]

I've never seen a non-Catholic church register that used Latin forms. Here's a short list of Latin names-
http://www.british-genealogy.com/parish-registers/registers-latin-names.html

[santel]

Thank you, very interesting - it puts Johannes and Maria within our reach - I will try to find that marriage for more information.