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Re: Captain drowned in harbour?
« Reply #18 on: Monday 31 January 11 13:03 GMT (UK) »
Which suggests possibly the death was registered in Newfoundland, or maybe fell "through an administrative crack" between the 2 jurisdictions and was never registered.
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Re: Captain drowned in harbour?
« Reply #19 on: Monday 31 January 11 14:29 GMT (UK) »
Roger - He lived in Hull at the time of my gran's birth, but was apparently born in Bethnel Green.  I have no idea when he went to Hull.  I've found newspaper cuttings that, if they relate to him, then he was in Hull in 1879.

Trevor - If by any chance the man in the newspaper cuttings is my g.grandfather, then he was the owner of a ship called Fortitude.  On CLIP this has the number 60210, first registered in 1870.  He could also have been a member of the crew of a ship called Gratitude 65284, skipper Alfred Whittleton or a ship called Pioneer 60223, skipper A Button/G Wright.

My g grandfather's name was George William Wright, born Middlesex, possibly Bethnal Green (but that is only from census 1891-1911), born sometime between about 1857 and 1860ish.  Not very helpful I know.


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Re: Captain drowned in harbour?
« Reply #20 on: Monday 31 January 11 18:09 GMT (UK) »
Yes. It seems to be getting a little confusing. So back to the original topic

Posted by Redroger.
Which suggests possibly the death was registered in Newfoundland, or maybe fell "through an administrative crack" between the 2 jurisdictions and was never registered.
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ps should also have said there is no death reg for g beynon in eng for the time frame your looking at not that i can find if that helps

The attachment to my first post, Reply #5, was a copy of the GRO Marine Death Indices 1897. I thought people would have recognised this. Sorry for any assumption.
No doubt his death was also recorded by the Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen. The relevent  records are contained within the series BT334 at  Kew. The information contained would be
 Name of ship, official number, port of registry, date of death, place of death, name of deceased, sex, age, rating [for seamen], rank or profession or occupation [for non-seamen], nationality and birthplace, last place of abode, cause of death, remarks.
Given that most of this information has already been given in this thread, there would seem little point trying to obtain this file from Kew.

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Did your ROSEBUD have the official number 87483, 47947 or 88880? If not could you tell me what number it was please.

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Re: Captain drowned in harbour?
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 01 February 11 15:32 GMT (UK) »
I ought to have realised that the list was part of an official document, but thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Captain drowned in harbour?
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 13 March 11 13:28 GMT (UK) »
The Rosebud in question was ON 47974.  Capt. Beynon's last voyage on her began Oct. 26, 1897, and terminated April 12, 1898 (without Capt. Beynon, obviously). 

Theystarted out from Glasgow, going to St. John's via Greenock with a load of coal.  After the death of Beynon, Captain Enon signed on a whole new local crew and carried on, taking the ship down to Brazil and Barbados (presumably with a load of dried fish), then back to St. John's, then again to Brazil and Trinidad, then back to London.  They had a stowaway on the first trip down to Brazil, so Capt. Enon signed him on as a cabin boy for 1 shilling a week.  He deserted in Barbados.

I have had some progress re the death of Capt. Beynon.  A note written by his successor, Capt. Enon, made reference to a magistrate's inquiry into the affair.  I had a look in the Newfoundland archives and found the proceedings of the magisterial inquiry into "the death or mysterious disappearance of George Beynon, Captain of the Brigantine Rosebud which occured on Monday Jan 11, 1897."  It contains sworn statements from first mate Enon, Samuel Wilkinson the Boatswain, Richard Vogler, ordinary seaman, James Mann, agent for the owner, James Gearin, a pilot who had previously sailed with Beynon, and Dr. Fraser the attending physician. 

The conclusion of the attending physician was that the captain was very ill from chronic alcoholism and probably fell overboard as a result.  He was already very sick before they left England and had spent 3 days under doctor's care in Greenock.  He contacted the owners in Greenock and asked to be relieved of command but was refused.  On arrival in St. John's, he spent two weeks under doctor's care, staying at the agent's home, but then returned to his ship. 

Capt. Enon and the boatswain tried very hard to avoid discussing Beynon's drinking, attributing his illness to other causes, and both spoke very highly of him.  However after the testimony of Vogler, Gearin and the doctor, Enon was recalled and in his second statment admitted that yes, the captain had been drinking and the doctor had told Enon to take chare of the key for the store room so Beynon couldn't get any more.

Someother interesting notes from the statements - apparently Beynon's wife had sailed on most of the voyages, but on this voyage had left the ship at Greenock and gone home to Plymouth.  There is even a mention that she sometimes operated the chronometer.

Finally, there is a rather gruesome account of two night watchmaen who found the body on May 29.

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Re: Captain drowned in harbour?
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 13 March 11 14:20 GMT (UK) »
A great piece of research. Well done. May I ask the source/s of your information?
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Re: Captain drowned in harbour?
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 13 March 11 14:53 GMT (UK) »
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I had a look in the Newfoundland archives

I presume as you have a Canadian flag as your avatar that you live in Canada.  Does that mean that you physically went to the Newfoundland archives?

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Re: Captain drowned in harbour?
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 13 March 11 19:26 GMT (UK) »
Source for the inquiry is GN 5/3/A11, Magistrate's Court Central Circuit Minutes box 212, Newfoundland Provincial Archives. 

The source for the Rosebud is the crew agreement for the voyage in question.  I found it in the course of researching my g-grandfather's career as a seaman.  I remembered my grandfather saying his father used to go visit "Captain Enon", who owned a shop in downtown St. John's.  I took a guess that perhaps he had sailed with Captain Enon.  I found a William Enon on a 1930s Newfoundland census, then looked him up in Lloyd's Captain's register.  The Rosebud was Enon's first vessel, and to my delight, I found my g-grandfather on the 1897 crew agreement - he was one of the St. John's crew Enon signed on after he took command of the ship.  I think it was my g-grandfather's first foreign-going voyage.

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Happily I live in Newfoundland and I was able to go there myself.  They have evening hours on Wednesday night, so that's the only time I can get there.

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Re: Captain drowned in harbour?
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 13 March 11 19:30 GMT (UK) »
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Happily I live in Newfoundland and I was able to go there myself.  They have evening hours on Wednesday night, so that's the only time I can get there.

Lucky you.  They charge quite a substantial amount to look things up for people and then you already have to know the ship's name or number, they can't search on a name.  So for someone like me, who doesn't know the name of the ship(s) their ancestor was on, it's hopeless.

Lizzie