Captain drowned in harbour?

[LizzieW]

Jennifer - Where did you find the crew agreement relating to George Beynon? 

Seems his name was George Beynon. Born Fowey 1855. Masters certificate 06932 obtained Plymouth 1882.

Seaweed - Where did you get that info from?  I'm desperately trying to find my g.grandfather who was supposed to be a fisherman/trawlerman/seaman.

Lizzie

[seaweed]

The information came from the on line index of Lloyd's Captains Registers.
It only includes Masters/Captains of foreign going vessels and would not give details of fisherman/trawlerman/seaman.

[LizzieW]

Ok, thanks Seaweed, that's a shame.

Lizzie

[amazon510]

Hi LizzieW - I found the crew agreement at the Maritime History Archive in Newfoundland.  They have most, but not all, of the crew agreements.  I was actually tracing my g-grandfather who was also a sailor/fisherman.

It was a bit of a stroke of luck that I found him at all, because while captains were registered, ordinary seamen were not.  You need to know the ship, then you can look up the crew agreement if it still exists.  I found my g-grandfather because my grandfather recalled his father used to visit a Captain Enon.  I gambled that maybe they had sailed together.  I looked up the captain, looked up what ships he served on, and then looked up the crew agreements.  Got lucky on the first ship.

Crew agreements exist for foreign going vessels and coasting vessels, but fishing vessels under a certain size didn't need to be registered.  Whether there is any record of your g-grandfather will depend on what kinds of ships he worked on.  And, you need a ship or a captain's name.  If you haven't seen it already, the Crew List Index Project has a good discussion on how to find seafarers: http://www.crewlist.org.uk/findingonindexes.html

Jennifer.

[amazon510]

Hi Dawn,

I haven't looked in the UK records - I'm in Canada and don't have ready access.  Before I start hunting, I have basically the same question as you - if an English captain falls off his ship into a colonial harbour, who registers the death?  I've read the National Archives page on BMD at sea and I am not at all clear.

(I'm reminded of a Canadian movie which starts with a dead body hanging on the boundary sign between Quebec and Ontario.  Much jurisdictional humour ensues.)

Jennifer.

[Billyblue]

YES It's a bit of a quandary isn't it?
I'm in Australia so I know what you mean about access.  But I thought you could access these UK BDMs online and order certs online?   Don't know as I haven't tried.
Dawn M

[LizzieW]

Jennifer

Therein lies the problem.  I don't know which ships my g.grandfather was on.  He was on the 1891 census living with my g.gran who is shown as "wife", so either she put him on herself, or he was not at sea on that occasion.  He was shown as a fisherman in 1884 on my gran's birth certificate.  His life before that is a complete mystery.  By the time of the 1901 census he has left the life of fishing.

Lizzie

ps.  I already transcribe for CLIP (Crew List Index Project) in the, so far, vain hope that I may come across my g.grandfather.

[Redroger]

Lizzie, Where did he live at the time of your grandmother's birth registration? I realise I am probably tramping over old ground but I hope it was a fishing port like Grimsby or Hull.

[t mo]

hello all
just had a look in both ancestry and free bmd and both give this as the earliest birth for a george lucas beynon born cornwall mar 1856 dist st austell vol 5c p 139 .
lizzie if you have an english look up you want doing let,s have the name and i,ll do my best to help
trevor

ps should also have said there is no death reg for g beynon in eng for the time frame your looking at not that i can find if that helps