Aberdeenshire Surnames: Bain & Cheyne

[Flattybasher9]

Now that I've nailed the photos of the family members (still have a few to upload to my *A* tree), I'm working on little bits & pieces around the edges ...  like missing census data & a few death dates (John's daughter "Jeanne" Jane b1866 (Try 1941 at New Pitsligo.)& daughter Mary Ann b1868 (Try 1932, Surname "Towns" Aberdeen Northern District).

I am also very curious about the boy in the house in the 1881 census:  Charles John Leel, age 6, grandson
( born illegitimately on the 30th September 1874 to Charles Leel of Bodichell, Fraserburgh, and Isabella Ferguson Hardie, domestic servant at Balnamoon, New Pitsligo. The child was born at Balnamoon. )
and scholar. Jim Cheyne & Neil Pirie both indicate that "parentage is to be determined". I have the birth record for this child, and I can't make hide nor hair of a grandchild connection to the Cheynes.

I think that the "grandson" was just a sympathetic tab for the boy and his mother, since she worked there, but there is no actual direct family tie.

Regards

Malky

[RedMystic]

Thank you Malky

I've been playing on SP since you sent this & was able to see that there are records.  Then I couldn't buy any more credits because I can't remember my SecureCode for my card  - husband made it up for our joint card & won't be home until tomorrow night so I'll hold tight until then . The upside is that at least, with your guidance, I can see that some records exist which is far beyond where I usually get. Thank you.

I didn't find a marriage record for Mary Ann as yet, but will go back to see if I can find that.  It would be amazing if she did (& had children) as I have a photo of my Helen Cheyne seated with another woman of similar features with a passel of children. I have a similar picture with Helen, sister Sarah & her children and now wonder if I'll be able to match a census to the genders & approximate ages of the children in my unknown picture. That would be amazing if it's the case.

Thanks also for the thought about the little boy Leel. That could well be the case.

[Flattybasher9]

"Thanks also for the thought about the little boy Leel. That could well be the case."

That's taken from the birth record.

The surname "Towns" is taken from the death record.

Regards

Malky

[RedMystic]

I meant the thought about the "grandson" terminology being used judiciously. I don't see anything on the death record I have that would make that connection, &  hadn't considered that they might have used the term as a "sympathetic tab".

I'll have to wait until tomorrow to see the death record with the Towns name on it when I can purchase some credits.

In the meantime, I've been wafting about trying to find a marriage record for Mary Ann Cheyne  to a Towns occurring after 1891 (as she was still at Balnamoon - according to the Cheyne website - at that point.) No luck so far.    (I can see that lots of Towns lived around Ellon, which wasn't too far from New Pitsligo. )

[RedMystic]

Hi Malky

I won at the game of chance for Jane Cheyne (d.1941) as you suggested.

The Cheyne/Towns connection isn't mine, so I'm back to the drawing board on that one.

It's one step forward because of you. My thanks.

[RedMystic]

I had a look on Ancestry & the only Cheynes in Balnamoon I found was Mary Hellen Cheyne age 4, with her grandfather Alexander Murray.
flst

What do you think of the possibility of this?

As pointed out by flst, at the age of 4 (1891 census), Mary Helen was living in Balnamoon, Tyrie Parish, Aberdeenshire with her "grandfather", Alexander Murray. He had four sons, two of which would have been about the same age as Mary Helen's mother Helen.

Not that it matters , but by process of elimination, that could possibly make James or William Murray, sons of Alexander Murray the father of Mary Helen.

Alexander Murray 70 b Tyrie Aberdeen - farmer
Mary Hellen Cheyne 4 g/dtr b Tyrie Aberdeen
Tyrie ED 4 Page  4 Line 24

By the 1901 census, Mary Helen Cheyne was listed as living with her maternal grandparents, John Cheyne & Helen Ironside. Her mother, Helen, also lived in the family home.

Hmmmmmm.

[Flattybasher9]

RM, with regards to Jim Cheyne's site, there is a comment as to a Mary Ann Cheyne in the 1901 census,
at Easter Pettymarcus, in Old Deer Parish, Aberdeen, born in Old Deer, aged 17 years old. I do not think that this is the Mary Ann Cheyne we are looking for. There is a possibility that this is the one who was born in Old Deer in 1867. Between 1867 and 1869, there were 3 Mary Ann Cheynes born in Aberdeenshire. One in Savoch, Tarves, one in Old Deer and the third in Methlick. There is a grave at Urquhart Old Churchyard, Mary Ann Cheyne, death 25th April 1930. She is on the ANESFHS MI Index site at that location. Don't know if she is the one we are looking for as I do not have the printed version of the index.

Regards

Malky

[RedMystic]

Thanks Malky,

I had spotted that age discrepancy in Jim Cheyne's materials for Mary Ann in the 1891 census as well. I forwarded that to Jim a few days ago.

I really appreciate the flag for a burial possibility. I'll follow up on that after I'm back from vacation - heading away for 3.5 weeks.

Thanks again for the follow-up.

[flst]

Did you manage to find the Cheynes (in 1891) in the scotlandspeople website?
flst